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They tried to get me but they failed...

Old 09-05-06, 02:17 PM
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They tried to get me but they failed...

So I was looking at bikes on E-bay a couple of weeks ago, and I saw a Leader bike with full Ultegra on auction. It was only one day in so I bid $200 for the heck of it, not expecting to win but you never know.

I of course got an e-mail that the auction had finished for close to $1k, and that I didn't win. Big surprise.

So anyway, Sunday I checked my e-mail and had an item from Ebay, that I had been offered a second chance offer for my bid price of $200 . Now I had heard of second chance offers before, but had never had one. The e-mail looked pretty legit. All the links led to E-Bay's real site. In order to accept you were supposed to e-mail the address they give you, but I wondered why the hell Leader would do this rather than just relist it.

So if my suspicion were not raised enough, if became more suspicious because it was some generic yahoo.com address, and not one with a Leader domain (which they have).

So I figured I would call Leader today to check the validity of the e-mail.

In the meantime, I had e-mailed the yahoo address telling them I was interested, but I asked very specific random technical questions about the bike figuring a troll would bug out.

I have never heard back from the e-mail, but I did talk to Leader and they said they have had several reports of this lately and that it was definitely a scam.

Bummer . I would have loved to have gotten a full Ultegra bike for $200. I would have parted it out and kept the profit, but oh well.

I will keep looking for bargains. Hell, I will be happy finding a steel frame in decent shape with horizontal dropouts in the trash like some on here have.

So I guess my point is, if you get an unbelievable offer like this, be very suspicious. I've never fallen for a spam, so my record remains intact.
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Old 09-05-06, 02:27 PM
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Has anyone EVER received a legitimate 2nd chance offer?
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Talewinds -- Yes. As a seller, I've offered many 2nd chance offers and generally, they are taken. Not on bicycle related fyi.

Edit: Of course, the OP's post was about an obvious scam. But, 2nd chance offers are commonly used by sellers.
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Originally Posted by Talewinds
Has anyone EVER received a legitimate 2nd chance offer?
Yep. I have.
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Yes, that was my intention, that the specific 2nd chance tool E-bay offers was being used for scams, not that it is a bogus/bad tool to use.

Originally Posted by woodcycl
Edit: Of course, the OP's post was about an obvious scam. But, 2nd chance offers are commonly used by sellers.
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Originally Posted by Talewinds
Has anyone EVER received a legitimate 2nd chance offer?
yes,
Me too. For an AM classic MTB wheelset.

My final bid was only $40 less than the winning bid though.
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I've reported this kind of scam to e-bay. I'm tired of the trash that comes my way when I attempt to participate in the form that most commerce will take in the coming years.
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What I've found is that it's helpful to open e-mail from "ebay" in a webmail application. That way if you get a link in the message you can see the actual URL on the bottom of the screen.

Alternatively, you can throw out the e-mail message, log into ebay on your browser, and check the individual item. If you've gotten a real second chance offer, you'll see it there too.

I've actually sent a legit 2nd chance offer on an auction thanks to a non-paying bidder, so yes, it's a legit process. Sad that you have to be so skeptical about everything you get sent, though.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Alternatively, you can throw out the e-mail message, log into ebay on your browser, and check the individual item. If you've gotten a real second chance offer, you'll see it there too.
This is the best way to handle ANY emails! Log into the actual site completely on your own.

Edit: And, if you are particularly skeptical or nervous that your PC has been compromised, get a fresh hosts file to be sure that even when you manually type in the URL that it actually directs you to the legit site and not a bogus site setup as a re-direct in your hosts file.
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The scammer was pretty good. My browser is set up the way you suggested. All the links go to E-bay's website. The only one that did not was the link to the seller's address. Luckily, I am just a naturally cynical person.

One other thing they did I noticed, was while they included the link where you could report the e-mail to E-bay, they embedded the link with a username other than mine and a date of 12/19/2005, so that if I tried to report it that way, it would be junk info.

Very sneaky.

Originally Posted by DrPete
What I've found is that it's helpful to open e-mail from "ebay" in a webmail application. That way if you get a link in the message you can see the actual URL on the bottom of the screen.

Alternatively, you can throw out the e-mail message, log into ebay on your browser, and check the individual item. If you've gotten a real second chance offer, you'll see it there too.

I've actually sent a legit 2nd chance offer on an auction thanks to a non-paying bidder, so yes, it's a legit process. Sad that you have to be so skeptical about everything you get sent, though.
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Originally Posted by Talewinds
Has anyone EVER received a legitimate 2nd chance offer?
I have received them and also made them. These are mostly on smaller items where I would like to make a quick sale and avoid the EBay listing fees on the second item.
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I got a legitimate 2d chance offer on a set of NOS Cinelli handlebars.
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Usually this is how it works...............

Someone with place a auction item on E-Bay wanting of course to get top dollar for it.

The auction is set for x amount of days with no reserve. You bid or place a max bid and walk away.

You check to see that you lost and within hours of auction ending you get a second chance offer and you say why when mine was so low?

Answer- The guy who has the auction wants to see just how high you will go before selling it to you. Only way to do this is have his friends bid on the item and raise the price to your max. or more. Sends you a second chance because he knows there is no legit. buyer at the price ending if you bidded enough for him to live by.

Now in the case you are asking it may be a scam due to high componetry willing to let go at $200 and I would bet the farm it is suspect. My wife's bike is a Leader I built with 105 componetry and all in all I have $1100 in her bike.

$200 for Ultegra..................nope! It's a scam.
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Originally Posted by msheron
Answer- The guy who has the auction wants to see just how high you will go before selling it to you. Only way to do this is have his friends bid on the item and raise the price to your max. or more. Sends you a second chance because he knows there is no legit. buyer at the price ending if you bidded enough for him to live by.
+1 on that.

If I had a dime for every time that has happened to me (get outbid by a dollar , then have it offered to me almost instantaneously) I could afford my dream bike.
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