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SRam Brifters/

Got to ride the new Cannondale System Six Sunday. It had those new SRam shifters. The ones with the double tap shifting (downshift is a big swing out, up shift is a smaller nudge). Liked them very much - I could definately get used to that setup. Seems simpler than Dura Ace. Very smooth shifting.

The new System Six Cannondale? VERY light, VERY stiff. Stouter BB than the Six13 for sure. Also seemed stiffer riding. I think I like the Six13 better - but you really can't tell until you have a few weeks on a bike. I do NOT like esthetics of the System Six's butt ugly soda can headtube. Maybe some of you do. The Six13 is a much better looking bicycle.
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Talk of Sanier Duval using them next year.
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That's the exact bike i'd like to have next season for racing and trainning. I'm thinking long and hard about selling both my current bikes for a pimped out system six. Good short, to the point, review.
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Talk of Sanier Duval using them next year.
SRAM or Cannondales?
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I'll have to check them out. It would have to be good to get me away from my Silver barcons
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My 2006 Six13 Team One (Dura Ace) is by far the best overall racing bike I've ever ridden. The System Six would probably be too - as to whether it would be an improvement over the Six13 - my general experience is that the slightly harsher ride of a stiffer/lighter bike - you can get used to that. The benefits in climbing - those are forever. I just bought the Six13 a year back - so the System Six isn't enough to get me to upgrade at this point. I'll just ride it for another year or two and see what goodies the bike industry has up its sleeve. But if you're riding something else- the System Six would probably be a serious revelation. The Six13 was. I rode my Ibis Ti 100+ miles today - and it's a fantastic road bike - but for competitive riding it's not quite like the Six13 is.

I may make a move when they introduce 11 speed (or whatever) Dura Ace. I'm sure that's not more than two years away. They have to keep us weenies spending money on this crap somehow...
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Do people really need anything past 9? The range is going to be exactly the same only the steps between will change is it really too hard to push a tiny fraction harder or spin a tiny bit faster? For crying out loud they're having to make offset rims to compensate for the current dish and I'm really not sure that the companies will be able cram another cog in the same space and have decent reliabilty.

I've seen this before... where was it? Oh yeah
Nigel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and...
Martin: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten?
Nigel: Exactly.
Martin: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder?
Nigel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
Martin: I don't know.
Nigel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Martin: Put it up to eleven.
Nigel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.
Martin: Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?
[Pause.]
Nigel: These go to eleven.
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Originally Posted by WeatherMan
Do people really need anything past 9? The range is going to be exactly the same only the steps between will change is it really too hard to push a tiny fraction harder or spin a tiny bit faster? For crying out loud they're having to make offset rims to compensate for the current dish and I'm really not sure that the companies will be able cram another cog in the same space and have decent reliabilty.
I LOVE that scene with Nigel from that film : ).

Let me start by pointing out if you're still riding barcon shifters you may not *ahem* be all that PERSONALLY familar with cutting edge bicycle componentry. Be that as it may, HERE is the ultimate point of more speeds:

with 10 speed I currently have a 39/53 with a 12-25 rear cluster. That's really fine- the 25 is a wonderful lactic acid haze bailout gear for that 15%+ grade on my home hill after 80 hard miles and it allows me to stay in the big ring on lots of mellower climbs. So far so good. But I DO miss that 11 - not so much for sprints (like I could EVER sprint fast enough to need a 53/11) but on descents. There are plenty of fast downgrades where I'm spun out in the 12. Would I like the extra mph I might get from that 11? Why not?

So that is the point. The RANGE of gearing available to you. Makes riding faster, climbing easier, gives you more choices. And the 10 speed is so far superior to my earlier 9 speed setup - no comparison. Smoother shifting, more precise. I'm confident Shimano and the other firms will make wider range gearing updates better still.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
I LOVE that scene with Nigel from that film : ).

Let me start by pointing out if you're still riding barcon shifters you may not *ahem* be all that PERSONALLY familar with cutting edge bicycle componentry. Be that as it may, HERE is the ultimate point of more speeds:

with 10 speed I currently have a 39/53 with a 12-25 rear cluster. That's really fine- the 25 is a wonderful lactic acid haze bailout gear for that 15%+ grade on my home hill after 80 hard miles and it allows me to stay in the big ring on lots of mellower climbs. So far so good. But I DO miss that 11 - not so much for sprints (like I could EVER sprint fast enough to need a 53/11) but on descents. There are plenty of fast downgrades where I'm spun out in the 12. Would I like the extra mph I might get from that 11? Why not?

So that is the point. The RANGE of gearing available to you. Makes riding faster, climbing easier, gives you more choices. And the 10 speed is so far superior to my earlier 9 speed setup - no comparison. Smoother shifting, more precise. I'm confident Shimano and the other firms will make wider range gearing updates better still.
Well that's BS. I have used STI up to and including DA10 I still prefer the ratchet action of the barcon Perhaps you ought to consder a compact setup with a 11-23 the 50-11 will give you a higher gear than a 53-12

Fine don't believe me http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/ see for yourself
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Originally Posted by WeatherMan
I'll have to check them out. It would have to be good to get me away from my Silver barcons
Originally Posted by WeatherMan
Do people really need anything past 9? The range is going to be exactly the same only the steps between will change is it really too hard to push a tiny fraction harder or spin a tiny bit faster? For crying out loud they're having to make offset rims to compensate for the current dish and I'm really not sure that the companies will be able cram another cog in the same space and have decent reliabilty.

I've seen this before... where was it? Oh yeah
Nigel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and...
Martin: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten?
Nigel: Exactly.
Martin: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder?
Nigel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
Martin: I don't know.
Nigel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Martin: Put it up to eleven.
Nigel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.
Martin: Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?
[Pause.]
Nigel: These go to eleven.
Dude, you're not allowed to post this kind of stuff on "Road Cycling." Everyone on this forum is a professional rider, even pedex.
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Originally Posted by KrisPistofferson
Dude, you're not allowed to post this kind of stuff on "Road Cycling." Everyone on this forum is a professional rider, even pedex.
My bad. Then he really won't like the last thing I posted.


edit: I suppose I oughta keep my mouth shut about the super versitile 110 BCD cranks too

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Originally Posted by KrisPistofferson
Dude, you're not allowed to post this kind of stuff on "Road Cycling." Everyone on this forum is a professional rider, even pedex.
If so, then someone owes me a ton of back pay!
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