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go to your LBS and try both of them. The are very very different. Me, I prefer Shimano more leverage for downshifts plus there is way more to hang onto when out of the saddle.
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Nothing beats the design of the Shimano hollowtech II cranks.. the dura ace 7800 crank is a work of perfection.. -light years above the square taper design of 'old europe' campy.. imo.
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Originally Posted by redfooj
aside from contentious matter such as performance, reliability, etc... real palpable differences:

campy has cleaner cable routing
campy: shimano:

i prefer using the dual flipping levers on shimano to the thumb shifter on campy (theyre more difficult to get to). however, i just think campy look alot better due to the flatter hood design



back in austin i visited pretty much every single shop in town... only 1 high-end shop had campy (and barely any at that)... the other sighting was on a single used bianchi at another shop
I *thought* I saw a high-end campy gruppo on some high-dollar road bikes at the Bicycle Sports Shop on South Lamar (in Austin)... but wasn't sure.
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Originally Posted by red house
Nothing beats the design of the Shimano hollowtech II cranks.. the dura ace 7800 crank is a work of perfection.. -light years above the square taper design of 'old europe' campy.. imo.
Shimano spindle design was "borrowed". And Campagnolo has a new spindle design for 2007. I personally would rank a few cranks above Shimano's Hollowtech II.
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Campy FD's are non-indexed. Sounds like it's a step backwards, right?





(It's not.)
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I would have said earlier that Campy's carbon cranks of 2006 and earlier were very nice, but performance wise, a step down from DA. However, with the new Ultra-torque design using a hirth joint, I would say Campy has finally made it's way back into the top spot for a group in just about every category, including their newer lighter skeleton brakes.

I simply cannot see any superiority in any of the components of a DA group, compared to the components of a Record or Chorus group. Campy's are not only lighter, but they are now, simply better.
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Originally Posted by caloso
Campy FD's are non-indexed. Sounds like it's a step backwards, right?





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Agreed. The fully indexed front shifter was a lame idea. Admittedly, I would consider ErgoPower front shifters to be semi-indexed or finely-indexed.
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Originally Posted by khuon
Agreed. The fully indexed front shifter was a lame idea. Admittedly, I would consider ErgoPower front shifters to be semi-indexed or finely-indexed.
Ah! Well put.
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record components weigh less than dura-ace.
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Originally Posted by bluecd
record components weigh less than dura-ace.
is this a good reason?? does this weight difference matter to you?
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Originally Posted by onkey
is this a good reason?? does this weight difference matter to you?

he asked for differences, i gave him one.
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Originally Posted by mlts22
I *thought* I saw a high-end campy gruppo on some high-dollar road bikes at the Bicycle Sports Shop on South Lamar (in Austin)... but wasn't sure.
yeah they have a few nice ones, too. i never considered going to sun ski & sports for bicycle stuff, but when REI didnt have spare parts i needed i stopped by one in houston and WOW - tons of colnago, including the gorgeous Master X-Light, AND colnago ferrari (!!!), top-end bianchi (luna), and a ton of other neat bikes... lots of campagnolo all around
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Campy is purdier! (YMMV)
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Originally Posted by Patriot
I would have said earlier that Campy's carbon cranks of 2006 and earlier were very nice, but performance wise, a step down from DA. However, with the new Ultra-torque design using a hirth joint, I would say Campy has finally made it's way back into the top spot for a group in just about every category, including their newer lighter skeleton brakes.

I simply cannot see any superiority in any of the components of a DA group, compared to the components of a Record or Chorus group. Campy's are not only lighter, but they are now, simply better.
+1

Well said indeed. To be honest, Centaur and Veloce are looking like real good deals now. Centaur with the new cranks, brakes and carbon is actually light years ahead of Dura Ace. If you measure the difference in ounces, there is no way Dura Ace can compare with Centaur. The weight savings Dura Ace offers over Centaur just doesn't justify the huge price difference.

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I havent been to bf enough, I forgot all about the shimano vs campy threads
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shimano gives you cancer
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shimano gives you cancer
So it's shimano and not EPO? :-))
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jesus H christ they both work! I rode the century last week on my 105 equipped road bike and I watched ten people drop their chains comng up a hill. I just kept truckin'. It's about setup and maintenance. at least three people who dropped chains had chorus shifters, so I assume chorus deraillers as well.
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Nothing beats the design of the Shimano hollowtech II cranks.. the dura ace 7800 crank is a work of perfection.. -light years above the square taper design of 'old europe' campy.. imo.
Campy doesn't use square taper anymore. And the new Record set is almost 1 pound lighter than Dura Ace.
 
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shimano gives you cancer
...and Campagnolo fishing rods suck.
 
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Originally Posted by cs1
+1

Well said indeed. To be honest, Centaur and Veloce are looking like real good deals now. Centaur with the new cranks, brakes and carbon is actually light years ahead of Dura Ace. If you measure the difference in ounces, there is no way Dura Ace can compare with Centaur. The weight savings Dura Ace offers over Centaur just doesn't justify the huge price difference.

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The design philosopy behind Dura Ace has always placed a high priority on durability, even at the expense of weight. There have been times when DA was not the lightest group in Shimano's own lineup, or the most "advanced". I havn't had a lot of experience with Campy, but have ridden and raced DA Hard. Ive never had a component failure and have had shifters work as good as new after even 3 years of hard use (40 to 50 races/yr).
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I made the switch from DA 9 to Campy Record 10 not too long ago. I fell in love instantly.

If Shimano gives you cancer, Campy Record will give you VD.
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The design philosopy behind Dura Ace has always placed a high priority on durability, even at the expense of weight.
Then why aren't they rebuildable?
 
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Originally Posted by OCRider2000
go to your LBS and try both of them. The are very very different. Me, I prefer Shimano more leverage for downshifts plus there is way more to hang onto when out of the saddle.
This was the big difference for me. With Campy I felt like my hands were going to slip off of the hoods every time I hit a big bump. Feel much more secure with the Shimano hoods, and they're just more comfortable in my hands. My hands are on the large side, and I would think with smaller hands the Campy stuff actually may be more comfortable. Like others suggested, you should try out both and pick whichever is most comfortable. I don't think the diff in performance is going to be that noticeable assuming they both are installed by folks who know what they are doing.
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