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Old 09-14-06, 08:01 AM
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Mavic Ksyrium ES Wheels

I have been riding a set of FSA RD-80 wheels for the last two years now and I have finally made the plunge for a new set of wheels. I just bought a set of the Ksyrium ES's in preperation for building a new bike. I bought the Ksyriums on several reccomendations, however I have never ridden them. How much of a difference am I going to tell between the two. Just curious if anyone has made a wheel upgrade like this and noticed a difference.
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You should notice that they are much stiffer...it will feel like your power is going to the ground more efficently....you should also feel much lighter...in the wallet area. But seriously they may be as much as a pound lighter (though maybe not quite)than the RD-80...so they should spin up a bit quicker...further making it feel like you are putting more power down to the road....but they are going to feel stiff, that is for sure.
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You won't be disappointed I shouldn't think.
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That is one of the things that was said when they were suggested to me. I was told that once they start spinning, they stay spinning very well. Thanks for the info. and yess my wallet does feel lighter. I did feel that I found a decent deal on ebay for under $800.00. The LBS's wanted over a grand and probikekit.com wanted $860.00. I am excited about the wheels but I wasn't too crazy about dropping $800.00, but then again I know that good things don't come cheap.
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I test rode a pair and didn't buy them. Since I have Zipp 404 race wheels I couldn't justify the expense of high-zoot wheels just for training rides. Also I was concerned about the low spoke count should I break a spoke far from home. The are very quick and very stiff wheels though and if somebody gave me a pair I'd certainly ride them, at least on group rides. They're fun.
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If you've already bought them, there is little point in asking for opinions. Just put 'em on a bike and ride, then make up your own mind.
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Originally Posted by flythebike
I test rode a pair and didn't buy them. Since I have Zipp 404 race wheels I couldn't justify the expense of high-zoot wheels just for training rides. Also I was concerned about the low spoke count should I break a spoke far from home. The are very quick and very stiff wheels though and if somebody gave me a pair I'd certainly ride them, at least on group rides. They're fun.
I don't recall ever hearing about anyone breaking a ksyrium spoke. ...ever. ...anybody?
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Originally Posted by theshoemaker
I don't recall ever hearing about anyone breaking a ksyrium spoke. ...ever. ...anybody?
Yea I have seen a few. It's a real bummer when the owner realizes just about no LBS stocks the spokes and they take a week or so to get.
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They'll be much lighter, yes, but the stiffness is what has me sold, well, as soon as I can convince the wife. For me the tight response you get from a stiff wheel is directly associated with my level of fun and effort. It really makes you feel powerful, which pushes you all the more!
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Yea I have seen a few. It's a real bummer when the owner realizes just about no LBS stocks the spokes and they take a week or so to get.
How many is a few? Are these big riders?
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3 or 4 in 3 years...all sorts of riders. 2 of them were from the same rider and he is lighter (less than 170 lbs).
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Those ES are really bad, you shouldn't ride them.

By the way, do you want to sell those wheels for $400?
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Originally Posted by theshoemaker
I don't recall ever hearing about anyone breaking a ksyrium spoke. ...ever. ...anybody?
I think it may be more common than you think. I broke a spoke on a pair of SL's on the drive side trying to catch a light- the wheels were pretty much brand new, but I'm 250 pounds... good thing I was on a main road and could call the wife to pick me up!

I'm pretty sure the set I have were properly built and tuned- the spokes had consistent tension and were very true. I loved them for the few hours I got to use them! It was a pretty firm ride, but they were stiff and the responsive. I'd recommend them, just maybe not to someone my size.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
3 or 4 in 3 years...all sorts of riders. 2 of them were from the same rider and he is lighter (less than 170 lbs).
Hmm, 1st I've heard. I would expect that the difficulty in spoke replacement is do to the rarity of it. ...well, somewhat. If a ksyrium owner is worried, it might make sense to just buy some extra spokes with the wheels. Like I said, I don't own those wheels but I LOVE'em.
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Originally Posted by theshoemaker
Hmm, 1st I've heard. I would expect that the difficulty in spoke replacement is do to the rarity of it. ...well, somewhat. If a ksyrium owner is worried, it might make sense to just buy some extra spokes with the wheels. Like I said, I don't own those wheels but I LOVE'em.
I've had a spoke break on my Ksyrium SL's (170 lbs), and, which had much worse consequences, a spoke pulled out from the hub during the bell lap of a crit. I was perfectly set up for the sprint, and coming out of the final turn I went to sprint and it was like my legs had no power. After crossing the line I saw the spoke dangling out, unattached to the hub. When you lose a spoke on these wheels, it's going to cause a major brake rub. Replaced all the spokes on that wheel, and had it rebuilt with perfect tension. No more problems, and its a good wheel.
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Originally Posted by theshoemaker
Hmm, 1st I've heard. I would expect that the difficulty in spoke replacement is do to the rarity of it. ...well, somewhat. If a ksyrium owner is worried, it might make sense to just buy some extra spokes with the wheels. Like I said, I don't own those wheels but I LOVE'em.
I think Colorado Cyclist sold individual Ksyrium spokes, or if you have a "snobby" bike shop nearby that sells a lot of them, they usually have spokes in stock.
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Originally Posted by theshoemaker
I don't recall ever hearing about anyone breaking a ksyrium spoke. ...ever. ...anybody?
One of my teammates, who weighs about 130 soaking wet, broke one. He rides a lot, has an 80 mile r/t commute that he does a couple times/week. Luckly for him it just cleared the frame and he was able to loosen the brake.

By contrast, my spiffy training wheels are 28F/32R and I broke a rear spoke while racing recently after flatting my race wheel. The rim was barely kissing the brake and I still nearly finished the race. I didn't even notice that I'd broken a spoke until after the race. It was the tough course more than anything that was my problem. They aren't as fast as 'syriums but they won't strand me either.
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Originally Posted by flythebike
One of my teammates, who weighs about 130 soaking wet, ...
Now I'm a tad concerned. That's about my weight. I'm guessing this guy has a lot of sprint power, no?
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Originally Posted by theshoemaker
Now I'm a tad concerned. That's about my weight. I'm guessing this guy has a lot of sprint power, no?
Um, no. He is a good tempo/climber guy. Can't sprint.
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Well he's definitely won worst case scenario so far.
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Originally Posted by theshoemaker
I don't recall ever hearing about anyone breaking a ksyrium spoke. ...ever. ...anybody?
I did on a 2003 Ksyrium Elite. Going downhill at about 40mph. Thankfully it was on the rear wheel. The wheel acted like a giant disk brake, it didn't lock but it was pressing so much again the seatstay that it carved a bit of carbon out of it. I now have a pair of SLs and love them. I weight about 180Lbs.
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I wouldn't touch these wheels with a bargepole.

1. Too heavy for the price
2. Not very aero
3. Maintenance and repair difficult given the unique design
4. Ksyrium hubs have a habit of failing.

The only difference you'll notice with wheel changes is in stiffness, aero and hub smoothness. These wheels are neither particularly stiff or aero.
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Originally Posted by theshoemaker
I don't recall ever hearing about anyone breaking a ksyrium spoke. ...ever. ...anybody?
i broke a spoke on the drive side of the rear wheel. this was on a pair of 2005 ksyrium sl's, which had +/- 3K miles on them over 3 months.

i'm not alone. i've got two friends who broke a spoke on the same side of the rear wheel of their ksyrium sl's.
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Well, I may have screwed myself. I was talking to one of my riding buddies and he rides the Carbone SL's. He suggested that for the terrain that we ride in which is mostly flat to rolling terrian with some climbs (most being about 4.5% grade), he thought that I should consider the Carbone SL's. Since whe are riding fairly flat to rolling terrain, he said that I would benifit from the Carbone's than I would from the ES's due to the whole inertia thing. The pi$$er is, he said that he could get me the Carbone's for $800.00. So now my dilemma is do I sell the ES's that I don't even have yet and get the Carbone's or keep the ES's.
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