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bdcheung 10-06-06 11:46 AM

Why upgrade wheels?
 
What are the benefits to upgrading wheels? Currently my 2006 Felt F80 has an Alex AKX R2.0 wheelset, and I'd like to get the Reynolds Alta Comp wheels but need to know what overall benefit I will see from them.

Coyote2 10-06-06 11:48 AM

"and I'd like to get the Reynolds Alta Comp wheels but need to know what overall benefit I will see from them"

That's a weird statement. If you don't know the benefits, why would you "like to get" the wheels?

Seriously, buy new parts when you feel that the old ones are limiting you in some specific fashion. If you buy new stuff just for the sake of it, you are wasting your money.

bdcheung 10-06-06 11:51 AM

I'd like to get the wheels because I understand there is some benefit associated with them. I'm just not educated enough to understand what those benefits are.

gearmeout 10-06-06 12:12 PM

hrm... seriously, just go ride for a while... put like 2K miles on the bike and do group rides, then lets talk about upgrades :)

dtrain 10-06-06 12:14 PM

You mean to say you didn't save the wheelset off your Denali to put on the new bike?

bdcheung 10-06-06 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by dtrain
You mean to say you didn't save the wheelset off your Denali to put on the new bike?

Actually I've been using them to anchor down my houseplants during this storm that's been hitting us.

dtrain 10-06-06 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by bdcheung
Actually I've been using them to anchor down my houseplants during this storm that's been hitting us.

Nice. Put those twist shifters to work as well.


I tend to agree with the advise of other posters here - ride what you've got and upgrade in the spring with your tax return or something. But there's certainly another side to that. If you do a search on wheel upgrades you'll see that lots of folks feel they make quite a difference...and your Alex set isn't real great. If you've got an itch, the 20% Performance coupon could be used to hook up some O.P./Ultegra's or silver Mavic Cosmos for under $200 (plus shipping). I've been really happy with my Cosmos.

bdcheung 10-06-06 12:56 PM

I found the Alta Comps for $150 shipped...

rpc180 10-06-06 01:02 PM

hey bd, we have yet to ride, but still, here's some stuff I've seen.
Before: Cannondale Wind Hubs / CXP-22 Rims and DT Stainless Spokes
Now: 2005 Bontrager Race

Noticeable Differences:
looks cooler
hubs turn more smoothly and go on forever if they're spun in the air

Not sure about:
weight, might be lighter since I don't own a scale.
more areo, maybe - bladed low spoke count.
am I faster? not sure.

dtrain 10-06-06 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by bdcheung
I found the Alta Comps for $150 shipped...

Don't know anything about 'em. Just from the spec's, I'd say the double-butted spokes are a big plus. $150 is hard to beat. The Forte Titans are $109 plus shipping with the 20% off...but I haven't heard real good things about those (especially if you are larger at all).

bdcheung 10-06-06 01:07 PM

I'm like 150, is that "large"?

dtrain 10-06-06 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by bdcheung
I'm like 150, is that "large"?

No. I was thinking 180+.

bdcheung 10-06-06 01:09 PM

Well, my birthday is the 11th so maybe my fiancée will get them for me :)

StanSeven 10-06-06 01:16 PM

Wheels can be different in two ways (excluding durability). One is weight. Lighter wheels make a very, very small difference in climbing, especially for long and steep hills. The other is aerodynamics. Aero wheels can improve performance. For example, deep aero rims can knock off quite a few seconds on a 40 km tt, perhaps a minute or more. So, for most practical purposes, wheels don't matter at all unless you are concerned with performance climbing or gaining precious seconds in a timed event or race.

dtrain 10-06-06 01:17 PM

Give those Titans a quick look and use the search function here to research 'em. I'd say they're a pretty good deal with the web coupon today.

curiouskid55 10-06-06 03:16 PM

Its nice to have a spare set in case of a flat but a ***** to take them along with you .

blue_nose 10-06-06 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by StanSeven
Wheels can be different in two ways (excluding durability). One is weight. Lighter wheels make a very, very small difference in climbing, especially for long and steep hills. The other is aerodynamics. Aero wheels can improve performance. For example, deep aero rims can knock off quite a few seconds on a 40 km tt, perhaps a minute or more. So, for most practical purposes, wheels don't matter at all unless you are concerned with performance climbing or gaining precious seconds in a timed event or race.

I think you are minimizing the weight savings too much. When I upgraded my wheels earlier this year, I shaved off almost a pound and instantly made my climbing easier.

Also, you forgot the ride itself. A good set of wheels will be noticeably smoother. I do agree though, that you should pout some miles on the stock wheels before upgrading.

FunkyTang 10-06-06 03:38 PM

Upgrade your wheels for any of the following reasons:
- The new ones will be lighter
- The new ones will be stronger
- The new ones will be faster
- The new ones will look cooler

Feel free to add to the list.

chinarider 10-06-06 04:16 PM

Maybe this should be a different thread, but on a related issue, what do people think about tire size. My trek pilot 1.2 came with 28s (as well as Alex rims). Is there a real performance benefit to going down to 25s (wich I think will fit on the rims) or even 23s (which I'm not sure about fitting)? And conversely how much of an adverse effect does going thiner have on comfort?

BTW: about 1200 miles on the bike & I'm still trying to fine tune things. Unfortunately, the season around here is almost over & I'll have to let my butt get soft over the winter, before I have a chance to consider changes next spring.

Dan

Psimet2001 10-06-06 05:00 PM

My run-ins with Alex wheels have not been good. I have never owned a pari, but I have worked on CyLowe97's and I am not impressed in the slightest. From what I have heard on the quality the Reynolds would be an upgrade. For that price you can't beat a wheel upgrade.

I_bRAD 10-06-06 05:12 PM

Lighter wheels accelerate better too.

DannoXYZ 10-06-06 05:49 PM

If you're a racer where your paycheck depends upon shaving seconds off each race, then the seconds that lighter wheels will give you will be worth it. If you're not timing every single one of your rides religiously and if your ride are +/- 10 minutes from day-to-day on the same ride, I doubt you're gonna benefit from lightweight wheels.

However, the most noticeable impression of lighter wheels is their responsiveness. The front end will turn and change directions quicker with the same input. The bike will "feel" faster even though it's really not that significant or even measurable. That "feel" alone may be worth it to some people though. Although this will also make the bike feel more twitchy at high-speeds on downhills, so there's pros & cons...

cydewaze 10-06-06 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by FunkyTang
Upgrade your wheels for any of the following reasons:
- The new ones will be lighter
- The new ones will be stronger
- The new ones will be faster
- The new ones will look cooler

Feel free to add to the list.

- the old ones look like tacos

asgelle 10-06-06 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by I_bRAD
Lighter wheels accelerate better too.

How much better?

asgelle 10-06-06 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
The bike will "feel" faster even though it's really not that significant or even measurable. That "feel" alone may be worth it to some people though.

Since the difference isn't measurable, anyone who wants the same undetectable effect for much less money can order my special patented fairy dust. Just sprinkle it on your wheels and you get the same magic "feel".


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