DamianM

Gotta disagree with you there.....

The JMP1 sounds like arse

531Aussie

I haven't used it for a 3 years coz it busted, and I'd rather spend the money on my bikes than get it fixed The JMP1 is probably considered old tech by now -- I can no doubt get something sounding as good from Behringer for 50 bucks!

trmcgeehan

I ran for about 30 years before I developed arthritis in my knees. I switched to cycling, and this has been good for my knee flexibility. I like running better than cycling because you can run just about anywhere, and there is very little preparation (put on shoes and go). My doctor, who is a runner, recently bought a road bike and is running less these days.

cyclezealot

Naw. Most of them are athletes en route to knee replacements, given enough time.

transam

You've got to be kidding me! Running 8:00 pace for a marathon will meet the qualifying times for the Boston Marathon for 86% of the gender/age groups out there. I think ANY runner would be happy if they were invited to run the granddaddy of all marathons!

Don't tell Joe Henderson, Dr. George Sheehan, Jim Fixx or Jeff Galloway that running 8:00 pace is for wusses. They would laugh in your face. In case your too young to recognize these names they are the pioneers of the running revolution in the USA. They all prescribed to doing most of your training as LSD. Yes, there is a need for speed work, tempo running, hill workouts, etc, but most running is long slow distance to build the endurance for the goals you've set for yourself.

How would it set with you if Paul Tergat (world record holder in the marathon) made the statement that running a marathon over 2:30 is for little girls. How about Lance telling the cycling world that anyone who can't ride a sub 4 hour century is a wuss. You never will because these guys have too much character and also appreciate what the average guy/girl is doing when they go for a run, cycle, walk, roller blade, swim, etc. We also need to appreciate and support those folks because a lot of them have made the decision to get off the couch and do something to improve their health. We are all winners when they make that decision. Calling a person a little girl who can't run better than 8:00 pace is certainly not the kind of support we need to give.

blonduathlongrl

you should of seen the sign before laying down on that surgical table, but while you're there.. "Knive please, nurse!"
and ps, let look at the word sidewalk, slowly.. shall we.. side.. "walk" side.. "walk" must be why the walkers and baby stroller pusher are using it..

agarose2000

The knee replacement myth from running is another one to rack up for the mythbusters.

It is definitely true that running subjects your knee to greater forces than most activities, including cycling, but with non-damaged knees, increased mileage does NOT guarantee knee damage. In fact, virtually every MD you run into will strongly recommend running and walking, especially to older folks, because of the fact that it is a WEIGHT-BEARING activity - which means that it will translate to higher bone mass, more physiological benefit, and greater caloric burn. There is nothing in the orthopedic literature that tells MDs to advocate against running if you have non-damaged knees.

It is true, however, that if you have suffered a prior knee injury, such as a disc tear or ACL tear, that virtually any knee-involving activity (including cycling) will increase your chances for knee injury due to instability. Cycling for some may be beneficial in these cases due to the decreased knee load.

The final point is that many cyclists and other non-runners assume that they cannot run due to their intrinsic "shin splints", "knee problems" and other run-related pains, when in reality, the real reason for the pain is inadequate and improper training. Even an experienced 10K runner who runs 6:00/mile for the distance will feel shin splints, knee pains, and such if they take it out to 26 miles without training for that distance, even at a slow pace. Likewise, many people assume they can go out an average 30 miles of running a week due to the myth that running is "so much easier technically that biking", and then discover that the ability to run long distances safely is a non-trivial technical exercise as well, which requires running certain distances (long) at particular heart rate ranges (aerobic vs lactate). If you start at a low-mileage base, then work up to these distances over a period of 2-3 months (particularly with the benefit of an experienced group coach with the local marathon training or running club), the vast majority of these pains will disappear with training. I in particular, suffer from insufferable shin splints, knee pains, and buttock pain - if I jump back into my regimen after 2 weeks off. However, with proper training, I go pain free, after 40+ running miles/week.

Cycling's equally tough at high intensities. Yes, singletrack downhilling requires a separate skill set from the enduro skills of running, it's true. However, the principles of aerobic training are remarkably similar between cycling and running. You do go much slower on the run, but the forced maintained body weight also ensures that at a slow pace, you get huge physiological benefits. For many people, cycling may be an easier way to start due to the ability to coast for rest, but any competitive cyclist knows that if they're going to improve, their hard training rides need to be hard, long, and intense. Just like a marathon runner's.

Don't knock running because you believe it will inevitably lead to knee issues. This simply NOT true. It's a myth that only applies to people with true damage (often imaging-proven or exploratory surgery-proven) to their knees, and spreading this myth greatly decreases the opportunity for many people to experience the incredible benefits of running.

bbattle

OCP.

Fredosis extremus.

brundle_fly

I took up cycling coz my back can't take the pounding of road running anymore..In another 10 years
it'll be golf,then snooker.

what's OCP?

onkey

How about trail running??? In ways, this is more fun than cycling. Running isn't just running around the track at the local high school

cyclezealot

When I took up running, my dr said , your knees are not made for it. I did not know how he could know. Minimal examinations, without that being the focus of his previous exam. ! Anyway, all the years I ran , I felt a pain during and after a run. Before I gave it up, I needed braces. After I gave it up, the knee pain lasted for a couple months, and I almost felt I needed crutches. I walked like Matt Dylan.
Never has biking so far, inflicted such pain.

chinarider

I'm surprized no one else mentioned this, but in many parts of the country (including where I live), it's simply impossible to cycle for a good part of the year due to weather conditions. There are only a handful of days per year that weather wiil prevent running.

I do agree that running is harder on the body. It does tend to catch up with most people sooner or later. On the other hand, I was never in better shape than when I was running a lot & in good race shape. I don't think you can get the same intensity from cycling. Another benefit of running is the time factor. You can get a very good workout in an hour, whereas in cycling you're just warming up.

Dan

Disco Stu

does anyone know a runners forum as busy as this one?

R-Wells

No, they have less equipment to talk about.

It is very hard to run and type.

STW

[QUOTE=Disco Stu]does anyone know a runners forum as busy as this one?[/QUOTE

That's because they're so "enlightened" that they don't need one.

leejb2

Running on the sidewalk has two problems. First, concrete is a less forgiving surface to run on than asphalt or trail. Second, the sidewalk is the running equivalent of riding on the MUP. It's crowded and full of walkers taking up the entire path or weaving back and forth.

seth556

If you have knee problems when you run it's probaly because of your shoes, go to a good store where the people know what kind of shoe certain people need. Also most of the time the $40 shoes aren't going to be good. I spend $90 on a pair of running shoes every two months. Next thing is look at what your running on, if you get knee pains when you run from the jolt run on grass or dirt much more forgiving that hard concrete that jolts your whole body when you run.

Lurker1999

I was going to reply to the person you responded to but you said it much nicer than I could have. To put it in context if you check that poster's profile he lists his age as 21. In the next decade he will hopefully acquire much wisdom.

An 8:00 pace will BQ you if you're a man 45 and older but will BQ any woman over 18..

Lurker1999

Both Runner's world and Cool Running have active communities:

https://forums.runnersworld.com/eve?location=_*topnav*

https://www.coolrunning.com/cgi-bin/ubb/Ultimate.cgi

chinarider

There's also the fact that no matter how fast you think you are (weather running or cycling or whatever), unless you're an olympian or a TDFer, there's always someone who can blow your doors off.

Dan

phantomcow2

All I can say,
When I run for a duration of time, I get this irritating cramp right of my gut. After a few minutes of stopping, it goes away. I hate the constant pounding on my feet, and I have flat feet. Plus, there is no bike to upgrade. Lastly, It's just too slow!

transam

You got that right!

transam

Yes, age does temper ones view of life.

seth556

The cramps in your gut are because of what you are eating before you run. Try eating different things the few hours before you run. The pounding on your feet should be fixed with the right shoes.

Lurker1999

Side stitch when running can also be due to too rapid breathing. A lot of people, when they first start running, will overventilate and make their diaphragm work harder than it really has it. Taking deliberate slow breaths may help with side stitch. You can run through side stitch this way although you may end up having to slow down if you're well past your anaerobic threshold.