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Is DT Swiss RR 1.2 as tough Velocity Deep V?

Old 10-09-06, 11:40 PM
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Is DT Swiss RR 1.2 as tough Velocity Deep V?

They look both very Similar.

https://www.dtswiss.com/index.asp?fus...kedetail&id=16
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Old 10-09-06, 11:47 PM
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*side-steps specific quesiton*

They're definitely better made than the Velocities.
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Old 10-10-06, 12:29 AM
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I've also been checking these out, and I assume that, since they're every bit as heavy as Deep Vs (and possibly then some), they can't be weaker. AND THEY LOOK BETTER!
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Knowing DT they're probably plenty strong. Deep V is a bomb proof rim for sure though. Trust me, I've tested the theory.
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Old 10-10-06, 06:39 AM
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They look better because they have a sticker? Target has huge books of stickers near the toys if you want to make anything else on your bike look better.

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I would say yes.

I have experience with R 1.1 and they are as good as a comprable Open Pro or that kind of thing. No reason the R 1.2 shouldn't be a match for anything in class.
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+165g for the 1.2 vs. the 1.1 Why not use the 1.1, which if I have my choice, is what I'll use on my next wheelbuild.
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Originally Posted by CastIron
+165g for the 1.2 vs. the 1.1 Why not use the 1.1, which if I have my choice, is what I'll use on my next wheelbuild.
Different rim section for different aero benefits (arguably, this is a whole nother thread though). Just read the range of application on their site - R1.1 = road light, R1.2 = road aero
But I'll agree with others here that in general DT Swiss seems to make fantastic products, better than Velocity imo. I love my R1.1's.
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Old 10-10-06, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by iansir
Different rim section for different aero benefits (arguably, this is a whole nother thread though). Just read the range of application on their site - R1.1 = road light, R1.2 = road aero
But I'll agree with others here that in general DT Swiss seems to make fantastic products, better than Velocity imo. I love my R1.1's.
If DT Swiss rims are so much better than Velocity, then why are there threads on various boards about the R1.1 rims having cracking problems at the eyelets? Haven't seen a similar thread talking about problems with Aeroheads, which have a superior OC design for the rear.....
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Old 10-10-06, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jemoryl
If DT Swiss rims are so much better than Velocity, then why are there threads on various boards about the R1.1 rims having cracking problems at the eyelets? Haven't seen a similar thread talking about problems with Aeroheads, which have a superior OC design for the rear.....
Check my OUCH! thread. I had an aerohead come right apart on me, got caught in the fork and sent me over the bars. Velocity is looking it over to check for a defect, so at least they are concerned about quality control. I wasn't impressed by the seams of those rims in the first place, though (not flush) but it wasn't the seam that cracked!

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+165g for the 1.2 vs. the 1.1 Why not use the 1.1, which if I have my choice, is what I'll use on my next wheelbuild.
Deeper rims tend to make a stiffer and more aero wheel, as mentioned above, good for flat consistent roads and strong riders. Shallower rims make for lighter wheels, good for lighter riders and climbs. Also, the 165g difference is alleviated SLIGHTLY by the shorter spokes needed for the deeper rim. I'm guessing only about 20-30g though.
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Originally Posted by CastIron
+165g for the 1.2 vs. the 1.1 Why not use the 1.1, which if I have my choice, is what I'll use on my next wheelbuild.
I had some 1.1s, and found them too flexy. In most cases it comes down to weight vs rigidity.

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Old 10-11-06, 04:19 AM
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aeroheads are go

I have 3k on a set (of aeroheads) from this past summer. Not a single issue. I just purchased another set for my Bianchi Axis. I plan on beatting the stuffings out of these this winter. It should be fun.
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Originally Posted by 531Aussie
I had some 1.1s, and found them too flexy. In most cases it comes down to weight vs rigidity.
What was the spoke count on the 1.1's that you found too flexy? Did you try retensioning the spokes tighter? Just curious. I have a new set of DuraAce 9 speed hubs in 36 hole that are laced to DT Swiss RR 1.1's, I can't imagine that I'll have any issues at all with them being 36 hole other than being a little on the heavy side, but that's OK.
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Old 10-11-06, 05:23 AM
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^^ I admit i didn't give them too much of a chance (about 3 weeks), and I was comparing them to 30mm deep Rigidas and Mavic CXP30s. I'm also a 195lb masher
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Originally Posted by 531Aussie
^^ I admit i didn't give them too much of a chance (about 3 weeks), and I was comparing them to 30mm deep Rigidas and Mavic CXP30s. I'm also a 195lb masher
Well that really isn't fair is it? I am float between 215-225 lbs and I found them to be VERY stiff when built as Mike Garcia builds them. Not Mavic SSL/ES stiff but still quite stiff.

Whatever I believe you will find an issue with just about every rim out there and my guess is a high percentage of the rims that have issues were probably poor builds or abused...the percentage is probably smaller that there was an actual rim defect but I am sure that happens as well.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
Check my OUCH! thread. I had an aerohead come right apart on me, got caught in the fork and sent me over the bars. Velocity is looking it over to check for a defect, so at least they are concerned about quality control. I wasn't impressed by the seams of those rims in the first place, though (not flush) but it wasn't the seam that cracked!
Sorry to hear about your crash, hope you are ok. I don't think aeroheads coming apart are a common occurance; mine have been superb. But there has been many reports of the R1.1 rims cracking at the eyelets; here is one recent report: https://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=75245 . To their credit, DT has supposedly made modifications to current rims.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Well that really isn't fair is it? I am float between 215-225 lbs and I found them to be VERY stiff when built as Mike Garcia builds them. Not Mavic SSL/ES stiff but still quite stiff.

Whatever I believe you will find an issue with just about every rim out there and my guess is a high percentage of the rims that have issues were probably poor builds or abused...the percentage is probably smaller that there was an actual rim defect but I am sure that happens as well.
I have a Mike Garcia rear 1.1 as well. With stiff bladed spokes and brass nipples, that wheel is one of the stiffest I've ever ridden. I've been riding and racing for ~20 years.

I had a 1.1 prior to that build and I had trouble with it. It was hard to keep true and I eventually pulled a spoke through the rim. It was a lightweight build with DT Revolutions and Super Competitions and clearly the builder was no Mike Garcia.

So yeah, that wheel can be build plenty stiff if you've got Mike Garcia behind the wrench.

As for the aero benefits of the 1.2/Deep V, I think they are dubious. *Most* people ride them becuase the look cool. I think you get pretty minimal aero gains until start getting up around 38mms.
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Has anyone ridden the rr 1.2 from DT Swiss? And are theses rims appropriate for century riding like the Deep V's are (Because of the arrow design helps create a stiff and tough wheel)?
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BTW Zipp has some interesting things to say about rim shape here: https://www.zipp.com/Default.aspx?tabid=103.
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Originally Posted by Ebergram
Has anyone ridden the rr 1.2 from DT Swiss? And are theses rims appropriate for century riding like the Deep V's are (Because of the arrow design helps create a stiff and tough wheel)?
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I haven't. But my point above was that R1.1s can be stiff enough and durable enough if built by a great wheelsmith. They have real nice spin up becuase they aren't very heavy.
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The 1.2 rims are WAY too heavy. (As are the Deep Vs) You should take a look at Mike Garcia's Niobium 30 rims. He sells them for a decent price (complete wheels, or just the rims), they are also 30mm deep. However they are MUCH lighter than the Velocity rims or the DT 1.2s. I've had a set for over a year now and they haven't even needed truing. I've even used (abused) them in cyclocross races and rides.
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The DT's have eyelets, don't believe the Velocities have eyelets. That's the main reason I chose RR 1.1 rims on my last build, 4200 miles with absolutely no problems, DT 240S hubs, Revolution spokes, black alluminum alloy nipples.

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Originally Posted by Al1943
The DT's have eyelets, don't believe the Velocities have eyelets. That's the main reason I chose RR 1.1 rims on my last build, 4200 miles with absolutely no problems, DT 240S hubs, Revolution spokes, black alluminum alloy nipples.

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Al1943: what do you weigh? I have rr1.1 rims, Revolution spokes, 32h 3x, and the rear will not stay true. (I weigh about 170 or so). Just curious.
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Al1943: what do you weigh? I have rr1.1 rims, Revolution spokes, 32h 3x, and the rear will not stay true. (I weigh about 170 or so). Just curious.
I weigh 165. I don't think your weight is the problem. Are your driveside rear spokes also Revolutions? Mine are but I would recommend Competition 2.0-1.8-2.0 on the driveside instead. Also be sure you have enough tension. I do all of my own wheel work and find that the driveside rear Revolutions stretch. I've had to re-tension my rear wheels 2 or 3 times a year and as I've put them back to their original tension I've gradually run out of threads on the driveside rear. I started out with spokes 1.5 mm shorter than calculated to make sure that didn't happen but it has anyway. In the future I won't be using Revolutions on the driveside rear.
Previously I built a wheelset that are Chris King hubs, Revolution spokes and Open Pro rims. They have the exact same problem with the driveside rear, it's not a problem with the rims, it's the spokes.
The rear wheels are 32 hole 3-cross. On the DT wheelset the front is 28 hole 3-cross Revolutions and has stayed perfectly true. On the King OP wheelset the front is 32 hole 3-cross Revolutions and has also stayed perfectly true.

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That is true that the DTs have eyelets which are stronger. I was thinking of replacing my broken aeroheads with Sun Venus rims since they have eyelets and still come in around 465g. If Velocity replaces them, though, I'll stick with them. I believe that it was a flook defect and trust that if they send a replacement, it will be carefully selected by them so as to not have me calling back with worse injuries later.
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