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Old 08-25-08, 11:55 AM   #51
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I have used simple green, in the past, without any problems. I would use it full strength in a chain cleaner when I was mountain biking. Now I just use it diluted in a bucket to wash the cassette cogs when doing a good cleaning.

The best thing I did was switch lubes to Prolink and all I do is wipe the chain down good and the chaninrings with a dry cloth every 300km's (once a week) and relube...Every so often I will remove the rear cassette and take it apart and clean it too...

My wife's chain has just over 5000km's on it and it's still going strong using this method...And yes I measure it...What I was noticing was that the Simple Green and other degreasers did to good of a job. It would remove all the lube from the chain even the stuff within the chain which is a tough place for you to relube. Not to mention it's a bit of a pain to use a chain cleaner all the time if you don't have the outdoor facilities. Honestly I find that my drivetrain does better and lasts longer keeping the water away from it.

And like always YMMV....I have found a system that works for me and I'm sticking to it...
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Old 08-25-08, 12:17 PM   #52
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I'm sponsored by simple green and use it to clean my entire mountain and road bike and it works wonders on chains too.
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Pedro's citrus degreaser.
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Wipe off the excess and any dirt with a towel.
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Old 08-25-08, 01:07 PM   #55
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Use Simple green only for washing the bike, not for soaking the chain. BAD, BAD, BAD!!!!

I use it for washing my bike, but always spray it off thoroughly, and try not to saturate the drivetrain with it.

The best thing to use for cleaning a chain, and I know it may bother some of the people on here concerned the "green-ness" of it, but a real Distillate or even a Kerosene based solvent which is formulated specifically for use with metal machinery components is always best. I use Mk.V sSuper Solvent at work. However, it's not the most environmentally friendly, and may irritate your skin. But it cleans better than anything else.

However, there are newer, very environmentally friendly options for industrial use. Here's a couple.

1. Solution 2000.

2. SeaWash-70. Parts cleaning solution.

SeaWash-70. Yeah, big bad oil companies had it devoloped for cleaning equipment out on the oil rigs at sea. It breaks down oil and grease very effectively.

I've used neither, but I know some guys who do use it on industrial equipment, and they say it works well.
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On this topic, anybody try gun cleaner for a chain???
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Has anyone used Greenworks from Clorax for chain cleanup? I could not find SG in local stores and tried "Greenworks", solely because of the similarity in name . Chain was on the bike and i just sprayed some liquid on Cassette/Chain and also put some on rag for cleanup. I don't think it was very effective.

How important is it to remove chain from bike for cleanup?

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Old 08-25-08, 06:36 PM   #58
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On this topic, anybody try gun cleaner for a chain???
Wouldn't be a BF thread if we didn't get to guns sooner or later.

But to answer your question - no.
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It's amazing all the wacky stuff people come up with to clean their chain. You walk into any bike shop and they have 2 or 3 products to clean your chain with. These products come from people who specialize in bike tools and maintenance, don't you think they would have a pretty good idea of what works?
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I clean my chain with Simple Green in a Park chain cleaning tool and then rinse with some water. Seems to work.
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It's amazing all the wacky stuff people come up with to clean their chain. You walk into any bike shop and they have 2 or 3 products to clean your chain with. These products come from people who specialize in bike tools and maintenance, don't you think they would have a pretty good idea of what works?
Yes, and they are generally citrus degreasers at a high price, which is why I just use Zep citrus degreaser in a Park Tool chain cleaner.

I am amazed at the people using dangerous and flammable solvents though.
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I am amazed at the people using dangerous and flammable solvents though.
i only apply the rubbing alcohol to the chain with a toothbrush, then it evaporates and i immediately lube. i don't flambé the thing.
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i only apply the rubbing alcohol to the chain with a toothbrush, then it evaporates and i immediately lube. i don't flambé the thing.
Use denatured. Rubbing alcohol is mostly water.

I use a masterlink on my chain. The chain goes into a jar of mineral spirits and is shaken. Chain comes out, and is wiped off.

I re-use the mineral spirits by filtering it through two coffee filters.

I wash the frame with hot water and ammonia. No pre-soaking, no rinsing. No residue is left.
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I like to use Sunlight industrial grease remover. Very common, safe, good stuff
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If you do use Simple Green, rinse it off thoroughly afterwards. The stuff is acidic and it will corrode your chain (and other bike parts). The US military has banned Simple Green from aircraft maintenance because of this problem (official reports are easy to find on the Internet). Simple Green reportedly came out with a metal-safe version of their product, but my local stores don't carry it.
When did they ban it? As of 2005 we were still using it. And we always hosed down the planes after a wash (yes imagine cleaning a b-52h with scrub brushes!!!!). Luckily I only got to due this once since I was senior ranking and it was just a "rite of passage" type of thing.

Anyway, simple green works great, but yes rinse with water afterwards. Also, get a good brush (park or pedro) and some old tooth brushes.

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According to this article, both the US Navy and US Air Force do not allow Simple Green on aluminum aircraft parts:
http://safetycenter.navy.mil/media/a...ourreaders.htm

Here is on from the US Army:
http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/ma.../cleaners.html
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1. Solution 2000.

2. SeaWash-70. Parts cleaning solution.

SeaWash-70. Yeah, big bad oil companies had it devoloped for cleaning equipment out on the oil rigs at sea. It breaks down oil and grease very effectively.

I've used neither, but I know some guys who do use it on industrial equipment, and they say it works well.


And where do you purchase said solutions?
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WD-40 or kerosene in a jug, drop the chain in, shake all the crud out. Take the chain out, wipe it down and use a brush with the same cleaner (either WD-40 or kerosene). Then re-install and lube up with raceline wax.

Works wonders.
Pretty much what I do except I use aviation gasoline (100LL) as a solvent to clean since it's free.
I'll repeat the process of the shaking the chain in a pickle jar several times since the first or second time doesn't always get it 100% clean. And then of course air dry in the sun to make sure all the solvent is completely gone.

I like how wax keeps my chain clean for weeks.
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I find that spraying the chain with WD-40 and then soaking in simple green for about 5 minutes works GREAT. The WD-40 helps loosen grease and dirt and the SG washes it clean. Then, I hose the chain down, swing it around to dry it off, and re-lube.
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EDIT: For the record I just use ProLink Gold on my chains to clean/lube at the same time. Works great. I do have an ultrasonic parts cleaner that I have been using on cassettes and derails using Simple Green though. I had read the bit about hydrogen embrittlement with chains and simple green a long time ago and forgot the specifics outside of "don't let it soak". I have never rinsed with water. Due to this thread I will now rinse with water or search for a safer alternative. Thing is I don't want to use any heavy solvent like fuel or spirits or thinners in the heated parts washer so I like the idea of using Simple Green....and it works GREAT!

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Old 08-26-08, 01:37 PM   #70
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Assuming you've been riding the bike in that 2 years, it mostl likely is worn past the point where it should be replaced. Get a new chain, (and likely cassette) and start cleaning the new chain on a periodic basis.
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Just replace the chain and you'll be good for another two years. : )
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