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Long term review of the Motobecane Immortal Team

Old 10-18-06, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by zimbo
Ok, so lemme ask you this...

How did you find out about this forum?
On what scale did you weigh the bike?

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I found out about this forum from someone who mentioned aobut a few different forums aobut cycling. Even in the industry, there are way too many that I still don't know aobut. I'm not a regular on internet forums so I am unaware of all out there.

The scale I used is the Topeak scale on the PrepStand Pro that we have in the back of the office. I don't know of another product that measures more effectively other than what the UCI uses and we don't have their system.

Honest questions from someone, now I feel a bit more validated. You BF members are tough. Kudos to being on top of your game!
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Old 10-18-06, 04:31 PM
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Alright, I know that there has been problems with bikesdirect in the past and that is why I completely understand everyone jumping to the conclusion that elohttub might be trying to pull one over on us. I'm not going to argue with that. But I do feel that he did mention that he worked for a magazine and was reviewing a product for that magazine. That alone should tell one that there is a good chance that the bike company that gave him the bike, advertises in that magazine. (also, of course he didn't pay for the bike if he is reviewing it for a magazine). So in my opinion, which is just that, i think it is a little much to jump down the guys throat for not saying, "hi, i am reviewing this bike, it was sent for free, I work for a magazine, a-b-c companies advertise with us, etc" Personally, that was all apparent when he made his original post.
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Old 10-18-06, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by kmkurdone
Personally, that was all apparent when he made his original post.
The original post has been edited. He did not mention his affiliation or his profession until later and therein lay the problem.

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Old 10-18-06, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by zimbo
The original post has been edited. He did not mention his affiliation or his profession until later and therein lay the problem.

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Old 10-18-06, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by zimbo
The original post has been edited. He did not mention his affiliation or his profession until later and therein lay the problem.

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Very true Zimbo. I was asked to state my affiliation after I originally posted. so new responses to this thread may not have caught that.

Whether the bike was for free or paid for, can someone educate me as to why that would make you unsure of the quality of the review. Every magazine you read gets their bikes for free and don't think otherwise. For the most part, the companies that advertise are usually the first to send their bikes as we are obviously higher up on their radar than the ones they don't have dealings with. Help me out here.
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Old 10-18-06, 04:43 PM
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The American Classic wheels are just so stiff that you get no rotational twist at any angle.
This is the point in the review where you lost me.
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Wow ...... 4pages about this .......... Dude just kill the review and let it go. Besides we need to go back to the normal nonsense. Campy vs Shimano .....steel vs. carbon ......... fat rich guys on c-50 vs. poor skinny guys on caad9 etc...... get with the program.
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Originally Posted by EURO
This is the point in the review where you lost me.
Why? what doesn't jive? Outside forces (angle of wheel to ground, g-forces in a turn, rotational forces) do not cause this wheel to flex under pressure and possibly caused the wheel to give out in a turn (namely bend under the pressure) or standing sprint. I hope this makes more sense. If not, I'm here to answer.
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Old 10-18-06, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Prince9931
Wow ...... 4pages about this .......... Dude just kill the review and let it go. Besides we need to go back to the normal nonsense. Campy vs Shimano .....steel vs. carbon ......... fat rich guys on c-50 vs. poor skinny guys on caad9 etc...... get with the program.
It turned out to be defending myself more than just a review. The bike review stands by itself. The rest of the review was battling for my character. I agree though. If anyone has anymore questions, send me a message and I would love to respond.

BTW, why not Campy vs. Shimano vs. SRAM now? Just kidding, let's not get off topic here!
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Originally Posted by elohttub
It turned out to be defending myself more than just a review. The bike review stands by itself. The rest of the review was battling for my character. I agree though. If anyone has anymore questions, send me a message and I would love to respond.

BTW, why not Campy vs. Shimano vs. SRAM now? Just kidding, let's not get off topic here!
This is going to be 10-15 pages of "BD shill-ism" , the review is suspect according the 4 pages of replies you got. Its just going to get worse. "05 Campy vs. 07 Campy" is your best bet right now
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Old 10-18-06, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Prince9931
This is going to be 10-15 pages of "BD shill-ism" , the review is suspect according the 4 pages of replies you got. Its just going to get worse. "05 Campy vs. 07 Campy" is your best bet right now
Nail on the head Prince. Like I said, I posted the review, take it for what it is worth and move forward. I am gonna check out that Campy forum now.
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Old 10-18-06, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by elohttub
Nail on the head Prince. Like I said, I posted the review, take it for what it is worth and move forward. I am gonna check out that Campy forum now.

Later ..later man ...... hey Basso just gave CSC the finger awesome .........
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Old 10-18-06, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Prince9931
Later ..later man ...... hey Basso just gave CSC the finger awesome .........
Yeah, that wasn't coming...
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Welcome!
Thanks condor. I'll be back in here again.
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I wish all you flamers would go out and ride a Moto instead of shouting about something you dont know anything about...

BikesDirect.com is a separate issue from the Moto brand of bikes and their quality. Plenty of reviews posted on these forums have complained about BD's service and responsiveness. But those same reviews don't complain about the quality of the bikes themselves. Have you ever read a review about a Moto that said "Gee this frame rides like crap" or "Damn my frame broke in half and nearly killed me". I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by elohttub
personally, if I were a reder, I would say the same thing. But I can't look at it from that point of view. I am very fortunate that stuff comes into my office at no charge so I get to play on great products without having to pay for it. As a side note, I don't get to keep these bikes. They all get returned to the manufacturer after they are done. Within 3,000 miles, I expected to see some stress cracking, not saying the life of the bike is only that many miles. That would suck!
Why do you expect stress cracks? Do Trek carbon road bikes start to crack at 3000 miles? Does this frame have much worse quality than Trek (despite the very high MSRP)? Be honest.
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Originally Posted by kmart
Have you ever read a review about a Moto that said "Gee this frame rides like crap" or "Damn my frame broke in half and nearly killed me" .
Yes

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=237916

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Originally Posted by kmart
BikesDirect.com is a separate issue from the Moto brand of bikes and their quality.
Is BD really a separate issue from Moto? Aren't they all the same company?
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Originally Posted by kmart
I wish all you flamers would go out and ride a Moto instead of shouting about something you dont know anything about...

BikesDirect.com is a separate issue from the Moto brand of bikes and their quality. Plenty of reviews posted on these forums have complained about BD's service and responsiveness. But those same reviews don't complain about the quality of the bikes themselves. Have you ever read a review about a Moto that said "Gee this frame rides like crap" or "Damn my frame broke in half and nearly killed me" or ". I don't think so.
Uhhhh.... actually it wasn't the frame, but someone just had a fork collapse on them on a small pothole and went down hard. I think the link is a few pages back.

And I don't think I've ever seen a motobecane sold by someone other than BikeDirect or their affiliates.

If I was looking for a budget bike and was an experienced rider and owner, I'd consider a Moto. However I would NOT recommend it as a first bike to anyone.

Oh, and it's 05/06 Chorus for the win with a 07 Crank thrown in on modern frames, but I'll keep my stashed away 06 Record crank for vintage frames thank you very much.
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Heh, man that guy needs to learn to bunny hop potholes better Anyway, carbon can fail suddenly and catastrophically, as we all know. Doesn't matter who makes the bike.

If I was looking for a budget bike and was an experienced rider and owner, I'd consider a Moto. However I would NOT recommend it as a first bike to anyone.
My Moto is the first road bike I have owned. Despite the negative buzz on these forums, I was hard pressed to find any reliably bad reviews on the Moto brand itself. So, I found the confidence to get one because there is a Cycle Spectrum in Houston (two actually), and they have a lifetime free service policy in addition to the warranty on the frame. So far, the service has been great and the staff helpful. I have seen plenty of people riding Windsors, Motobecanes, even a Mercier. These were roadies, MTBs and cruisers. I like to pull up to these people and say "Hey nice bike, where'd you get it?" and the answer always comes back "Cycle Spectrum".

So, in reply to the quote above, I would say to newbies definitely get one of these for your first bike if you find a shop in town that carries them. Otherwise, get whatever your LBS carries.
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Ok, I'll revise my statement - I wouldn't get a Motobecane from an online seller, for a first bike. If you're in Houston where they have the bikes in stock and you can be fitted, then that removes one of the large problems.
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Originally Posted by cuda2k
Ok, I'll revise my statement - I wouldn't get a Motobecane from an online seller, for a first bike. If you're in Houston where they have the bikes in stock and you can be fitted, then that removes one of the large problems.
Hopefully they will do a better job of assembling the store bikes than the mail order bikes.
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The Keo's are pretty damn good pedals.
Oh crap...you're not a LOOK shill as well are you??
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Originally Posted by johnny99
Why do you expect stress cracks? Do Trek carbon road bikes start to crack at 3000 miles? Does this frame have much worse quality than Trek (despite the very high MSRP)? Be honest.
Nah but Cervelos do.
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