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Continental GP 4000 vs Michelin Pro2 Race Poll

Old 10-26-06, 12:08 PM
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Continental GP 4000 vs Michelin Pro2 Race Poll

Say comments if you want but only on these two tires. Thanks
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GP4000--great cornering, good tread life and puncture resistance. Actually still come in black like a good tire should. My fave crit tire.

Pro2--Softer, a little comfier ride, about the same cornering, softer tread/sidewall makes them a bit more susceptible to flats in my experience. Ugly colors IMHO.
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I have used both - both are great tires. I have not experienced any difference in puncture resistance.

I must admit that I actually like the colours. I like matching my red saddle, bar tape with the red ProRace 2’s…
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5,000+ KMs on my current PR2s, and so far i have yet to have a you know what.
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I bought a set of Mechelin Pro2 Race a few months ago and have not had much luck with them at all. My rear tire split after a month of riding when I rode over a small stone. I found the ride to be a bit harsh and somewhat slower than the Bontrager X Lites that I now ride on.
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Originally Posted by botto
5,000+ KMs on my current PR2s, and so far i have yet to have a you know what.
...scone?
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Old 10-26-06, 12:42 PM
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Gp4000s

I have almost 4500 miles on them w/
zero flats
wear indicators still showing

best tiar evaaar331112!!
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Old 10-26-06, 12:42 PM
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First....They are both great tires. Having ridden both, I now have Pro2 Race tires on all my road bikes. Nuff said.
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Has anyone noticed what looks like cracking in the sidewall of their Pro2's? I've got just over 3k kms on a set and they seem to be in decent condition aside from that.

It looks like they're delaminating a bit... there appears to be a small gap opening up circumferentially, about 3-4mm above the edge of the rim all the way around.
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Old 10-26-06, 12:52 PM
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I have not ridden the Michelin but I LOVE MY GP4000's!!!!!
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Old 10-26-06, 12:55 PM
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Been riding the Pro 2 Race now for 2 seasons. however, just ordered a pair of the GP4000's for my winter bike. I hope they are equally as good ... but more durable. I also ordered the 25's instead of 23's.
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No experience with the Contis, but I much prefer Vredstein Fortezzas to the ProRace2s.
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i never used the ProRace2's, but i currently use a pair of the Grand Prix 4000's and i like them. after about 700 miles or so, i noticed that the rear tire was starting to wear a bit flat, so i just switched it with the rear tire. i'm sure both are great tires though, and i would look at it as a win/win situation, get whichever one you like better...

as far as colors go, in my opinion, there's 3 things that should ALWAYS be black:
1. seat
2. pedals
3. tires

good luck with whatever you decide to go with...
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I have ridden GP4000's and am riding Pro 2 Race (Limited Editions) - unlike the normal version, they have a single wide tread and come only in the horizon blue sidewall color.

Both are great tires, but at the same pressure 110psi, the 4000's are much less supple and harsher (dead ride), with a bit of tire slip on acceleration and less confidence in braking especially in wet conditions.
The LE's have siginificantly better grip in all conditions, roll better with less resistance, allow cornering at greater angles with more confidence and have noticeably a much more supple ride (similiar to the Vittoria Open EVO CX corsa)

Durability wise can't fault the GP 4000's that's proven, I have 1700km on the LE's and there is wear but no cuts. The LE's won't last as long as the 4000's and this where the performance / durability trade off is.

I would recommend the LE's for a high end ride at the envelope of clincher performance, but for durability with a slight comprimise in performance I would go for the 4000's.

These are the LE's I'm using, they come as a pair.

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Originally Posted by kleng
the 4000's are much less supple and harsher, with a bit of tire slip on acceleration and less confidence in braking especially in wet conditions.
Agreed on the ride harshness, but since my hip/thigh is still healing from my Pro2's letting go in a corner at 20mph on a moderately wet road, I can't give the Pro2 the nod for the wet weather cornering...
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Originally Posted by Hambone
...scone?
off to scotland for a few days on sunday, so i'l probably have a chance to have a few scones, but nope.... not a scone, and YOU KNOW i'm not going to say the word.

cycling is the one and only thing i'm superstitious about.
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Originally Posted by nocondorfx
best tiar evaaar331112!!
wow. 10 whole months riding, and you've tried almost every tire out there? impressive research.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Agreed on the ride harshness, but since my hip/thigh is still healing from my Pro2's letting go in a corner at 20mph on a moderately wet road, I can't give the Pro2 the nod for the wet weather cornering...
Dr Pete,

You should honestly have a look at the Limited Edtions, the grip is much higher than the regular Pro 2 tire.
With a similiar experience, I've also crashed , when the GP4000's understeered into a bumpy off camber corner during wet conditions.

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Originally Posted by kleng
I've also crashed , when the GP4000's understeered into a bumpy off camber corner during wet conditions.
the tires 'understeered'? how do inanimate objects 'understeer'?

you sure it wasn't YOU who understeered, boss?
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Agreed on the ride harshness, but since my hip/thigh is still healing from my Pro2's letting go in a corner at 20mph on a moderately wet road, I can't give the Pro2 the nod for the wet weather cornering...
Both the Pro2 and the GP4000 use silica in the tread compound. According to Jobst Brandt, tires with carbon black in the tread compound have better wet traction than those that use silica. I would lean towards the Michelin Pro2 Grip ("60% better wet traction than Pro Race") or some other tire that claims good wet traction if that's important.
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Originally Posted by kleng
Dr Pete,

You should honestly have a look at the Limited Edtions, the grip is much higher than the regular Pro 2 tire.
With a similiar experience, I've also crashed , when the GP4000's understeered into a bumpy off camber corner during wet conditions.

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Michelin claims 40% better wet traction with the Limited Editions over the Pro2 Race.
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Originally Posted by Phantoj
Both the Pro2 and the GP4000 use silica in the tread compound. According to Jobst Brandt, tires with carbon black in the tread compound have better wet traction than those that use silica. I would lean towards the Michelin Pro2 Grip ("60% better wet traction than Pro Race") or some other tire that claims good wet traction if that's important.
The Krylion Carbon is my off-season tire. I put them back on the bike for the honeymoon, and when I was unpacking the bike I was plucking little pieces of glass and metal out of the tread. Great flat resistance, and MUCH better wet cornering than the Pro2. I don't know if it's the carbon, but it works.

Sorry, I know that wasn't all about the Pro2, but it's the same manufacturer...
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Someone posted some data from an independent source here a few weeks ago on tire performance. The test showed very poor performance from the Conti's but it was for the GP 3000 rather than 4000. I noticed the 4000 doesn't had trad grooves all the way across like the 3000 does so maybe that's one reason why the test had such high rolling resistence compared to others. If that's the case, why would a company as experienced as Conti make such poor performing tires. I wonder if data exists for the GP 4000?
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I'll break the tie. I absolutely love the Conti GP4000. Rode on Gatorskins before and really noticed the difference. Won't matter though, it is raining and we are going off daylight savings time.
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Right on with this thread! I do have 2 wheels sets both mounted with each rubber, used on one bike (Masi Gran Crit 06) they go like this:

Shimano Ultegra 600 w/ Continental GP 4000 (loved it for crit racing this summer) front wheel although it's a 22c held up very nice at my 210lb weight with the tires inflated at 8 bars.

NEW! Shimano Dura Ace SL Scandium Tubeless Wheelset w/ ProRace service course. I don't know if it's the stiffer wheels but man do they roll. My mechanic shaved the new residue rubber off after he mounted the Pro2's. After about 100 miles of breaking in so far they are starting to feel grippy in the corners. But at first I was weary and wasn't as confident as the GP 4000's out of the box.

The GP 4000's out of the box were very impressive on grip, but reflecting now, they seem a little mushier to the Pro2's. I need to swap tires on the rims and make another assessment as that would give me full perspective.
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