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How much of a lead do you have to get before you have "dropped" someone?

Old 11-03-06, 11:56 AM
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How much of a lead do you have to get before you have "dropped" someone?

Lots of great advice and stories on dropping folks here. I read them all with great attention. When I get my new bike, I hope to drop the other suckers left and right.

But what does it mean to drop someone? The risk, of course, is that you will pull in front (and say to yourself "OMG Poseurs") and then later get passed by this same rider. That would suck. Or, as in the case of the Knave, your rival could take a sneaky shortcut to pull in front. Have you been dropped? As Hipster knew, it's not a real victory unless you can pull in front once again (or 3 times, as might be required with the sneaky sneaky Knave).

Any insight on this eternal question, possibly one of the most important for our age?

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I consider myself dropped when I cannot catch the person(s) that just flew past me. That usually takes about 5 seconds to reach that conclusion.

When I actually drop somebody, I'll let you know.
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An insurmountable lead.

(When you have reached the point where the dropped rider no longer gets a significant draft off of you, and you're still going faster than he is.)
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Rider drops out of sight to the rear is the generally accepted explanation, sometimes it takes three or four stop lights to do it properly. Of course, if your heart rate monitor/Acme Watt-o-Meter is beeping because you are out of your zone and his isn't, perhaps you need to reconsider your training program as this will be a clue to him that you may not actually be in better shape than him but just trying to make him feel bad by dropping him while you are in fact "Sprinting" and not riding at a sustainable pace.
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Pull in front, fart then turn and blow your nose......they will be dropped shortly.
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Unless you’re actually racing, you’re not dropping anyone, you’re just passing someone - who could probably care less...
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Originally Posted by ROJA
Lots of great advice and stories on dropping folks here. I read them all with great attention. When I get my new bike, I hope to drop the other suckers left and right.

But what does it mean to drop someone? The risk, of course, is that you will pull in front (and say to yourself "OMG Poseurs") and then later get passed by this same rider. That would suck. Or, as in the case of the Knave, your rival could take a sneaky shortcut to pull in front. Have you been dropped? As Hipster knew, it's not a real victory unless you can pull in front once again (or 3 times, as might be required with the sneaky sneaky Knave).

Any insight on this eternal question, possibly one of the most important for our age?
If you aren't dropping them now, you probably won't be dropping them with a new bike.
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they arn't dropped until you know dang well you'll never see em again despite the fact that they are trying like heck to catch up.
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Originally Posted by LA_Rider
Unless you’re actually racing, you’re not dropping anyone, you’re just passing someone - who could probably care less...
+1

You both need to mutually agree to race first, before any real 'dropping' begins. So you have to start with Cat4/5 where such agreement usually occurs. If you're still 'dropping' (others that is), then move to Cats3 to 1 and so on and so forth till you're giving Jan 'the look' before dropping him too.
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Originally Posted by voltman
If you aren't dropping them now, you probably won't be dropping them with a new bike.
You might be surprised. I am going from weighing over 300 pounds on a 40-pound bike (not kidding) to about 160 lbs on a < 20 lb bike! That should result in slightly higher speeds, eh?
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I get dropped every Saturday.
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Originally Posted by LA_Rider
Unless you’re actually racing, you’re not dropping anyone, you’re just passing someone - who could probably care less...
There ya go. It doesn't need to be a sanctioned event, since you can race against your training buddies. Racing for the next mile marker or top of the hill can produce some droppage of you or them, depending on how hungover you/they are.
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isn't it more important to just cross the finish line first?
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Good question. Reminds me of what happened to me this week. I was doing a 3x20 workout (go as hard as you can for 20 minutes, go easy for 10 minutes, repeat 2 more times) on Tuesday and the weather was great so there were lots of people out on the road including a few groups.

I normally love seeing folks on the road and enjoy chatting if neither of us is going balls-to-the-wall but on this particular day I'll have to admit I was a bit concerned that I would pass a group of folks near the end of a 20-minute hard effort only to be passed during the 10-minute cool-down and then pass them again during the next hard effort. It would make me look like one of those guys who considers being passed an affront to his manhood but doesn't have the engine to keep it from happening.

As it turns out, I came upon a group of three riders at the base of a hill about 12 minutes into the first interval. It's a fairly busy road, they were moving along pretty well (had I not been in the middle of an interval I would have been more than happy to go their speed), and since they weren't exactly hugging the shoulder I could tell it was going to be to my advantage to get around them quickly.

So the question is... What's a guy to do here? I didn't want to seem like a d!ck but I wanted to put in a solid 20-minute effort since I only do these intervals once a week. I was breathing WAY too hard to say "excuse me guys but even though you look like folks I'd love to ride with, I'm doing a set of intervals and I need to pass you right now but I'll see you in 10 minutes when you catch back up to me." Two of the guys were wearing team kits (the team I'm going to be on next year in fact) so I thought they might give chase which would make me look like an idiot when I suddenly ran out of steam at the end of the interval.

I decided to dial it up to the proverbial 400 watts and go out around them with as much authority as I could muster. One of the two racers yelled out something friendly like "hey dude" and the other jumped up to try to grab my wheel (figuratively speaking of course). I didn't look back for fear of having it interpreted as "the look" but let's just say I was extremely motivated during the remaining 8 minutes of my interval.

I ended up with a personal best 20-minute average power and, fortunately, the group did not catch me during the subsequent 10-minute cooldown. I'm assuming they turned off somewhere out of sheer embarrassment for having been passed. JUST KIDDING!

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Originally Posted by Phantoj
An insurmountable lead.
And the distance keeps increasing.

If the gap quits increasing at some point, it means you're biking the same speed. That doesn't count as dropping in my book. It's just having someone tail you at a longer than usual distance.
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I pull in front, check to see if they are >5 lengths behind, then at the end of the ride, I take a nice long shower, make a peanut butter sandwich and eat it. I read 1/3 of Velonews, I then check to see if he's crossed in front of my house yet, only then is is truely dropped.
 
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You might be surprised. I am going from weighing over 300 pounds on a 40-pound bike (not kidding) to about 160 lbs on a < 20 lb bike! That should result in slightly higher speeds, eh?
But you didn't lose 140 lbs overnight. Going from a 40lb bike to a 20lb bike will help on the hills, but that is about it.
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Originally Posted by banerjek
And the distance keeps increasing.

If the gap quits increasing at some point, it means you're biking the same speed. That doesn't count as dropping in my book. It's just having someone tail you at a longer than usual distance.
Huh?

It counts as dropped in my book. If your ahead by any margin of time from 10sec to 10min and the chasing group is maintaining the same speed as you, your never gonna get caught. For my money, they're dropped. Losing by 10 sec or by 10 minutes is still losing.
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In a race, someone drops you when you can't stay on the wheel of that person, period. When you can't stay on the wheel of the last person in the group, then the pack has dropped you.

Its not a permanent condition, you can always bridge back, but its usually very unlikely that you will be able to.
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The dropper never really knows when he has dropped someone, but the droppee knows when he's been dropped.
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Originally Posted by LA_Rider
Unless you’re actually racing, you’re not dropping anyone, you’re just passing someone - who could probably care less...

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Originally Posted by WithanF
The dropper never really knows when he has dropped someone, but the droppee knows when he's been dropped.
Makes sense to me.

And if it's me being dropped, that will happen as soon as we start climbing!

(but watch out, 'cause I'm gonna catch ya on the flats)
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