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The contrarian "Oh Eddie" Thread...have a "Look"...

Old 11-04-06, 10:32 AM
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The contrarian "Oh Eddie" Thread...have a "Look"...

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John has great taste and his Eddie bike is an object of desire to be sure. I love retro steel with Campy without question. Winter is coming and I normally live vicariously through most of you who like myself have bike lust. Time for a winter project and I have been looking a lot at frames and doing a lot of reading. I am real picky about frame geometry in particular. I pulled the trigger on an '06 Look 555 in 57cm size. Now, I am 6'1" and most of you have heard me babble ad nauseum about riding a full size frame for comfort. Before you pile on me too much, Look frames are sized C-t-C and a 57cm Look is about a 59 C-t-T from other manufactures. Also this particular frame has a 72.5 deg seat tube angle which is quite slack for this frame size and will bode well for my longish femur length. I will enjoy the shortish top tube with my average length torso and can live with the 170mm head tube as my objective with this frame is to ride a bit lower and more aero next year. The 555 is no weight weenie frame but is relatively light...stiff and compliant...a tough balance that Look somehow manages. This frame will be light years ahead of my present large Bianchi Veloce steelie especially in sprinting and climbing which is my goal.
Wish me luck and best of luck to all my homies out there that have the itch to build something. I may at some point build a bike like John, Jakey, 55Rad or Pigmode as the old classic high end steel with Campy is still my favorite. I want a bit smaller and faster bike not to mention lighter.
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P.S. Will post some pics when I build it with mid level Campy.
Have a look at the frame:
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Ohh me likey that too. Hey I like all sexy bikes be they old or new. Mine isn't even all that classic...the frame is from like 2002 I think.
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Nice George - gorgeous frame. And the photo isn't too shabby either.

I hear you when it comes to varying sizes working for different purposes. I too have been experimenting quite a bit over the past 3 years in terms of frame size with relation to material and intended use.

Good luck on the project - what's the next step?

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Originally Posted by 55/Rad
Nice George - gorgeous frame. And the photo isn't too shabby either.

I hear you when it comes to varying sizes working for different purposes. I too have been experimenting quite a bit over the past 3 years in terms of frame size with relation to material and intended use.

Good luck on the project - what's the next step?

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Thanks Guys. My bad John. I thought that frame was a bit older NOS. Loooove the color of that Eddy frame John btw....thing is gorgeous. I know you ride many different frame sizes Rad and know that many sizes can work as there is a wide disparity in how for example one can position the bars with a different stem. On my 61 cm Bianchi which has a loong head tube at 195mm, I run my 5 degrees ITW stem turned down. All other factors being equal, if I flipped the same stem on the new Look frame with 170mm head tube, I am within a few mm's of the Bianchi bar height. Change the stem to that of more rise and even more options. The other thing is adaptation. I have been moving my bars a bit down incrementally because it makes so much difference at 20 mph...air resistance is big....something like 80% of the power expenditure at that speed. Others may know the exact contribution. Not gonna ride too slammed because I am old ...just don't want to catch as much wind...a half an inch to inch lower in front with the bars in a bit closer...with the same KOPS position is the goal. As to next step, I may copy John's lead and look for an '07 Centaur alloy compact. I love the new Campy BB...simple, strong and elegant.
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One thing that gave me the itch for CF was my buddies new Giant TCR. That is a nice bike and I quickly adapted to the more aggressive geometry and therefore was a contributing factor.

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George,

I paid $166 plus shipping for the Centaur crank and the cups from GVHbikes.com. I should have them soon and will post photos. This bike should be going together next weekend...unless someone hoses up on the shipping.

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George,

I paid $166 plus shipping for the Centaur crank and the cups from GVHbikes.com. I should have them soon and will post photos. This bike should be going together next weekend...unless someone hoses up on the shipping.

John
Can't wait for the pics John. What kind of front deraileur you gonna run with your ultra torque CT? I will need a clamp on Campy front derailleur for a 32mm seat tube. GVH a good source for a FD as well?
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Sweet project, George! I've been thinking about Look frames lately, as I'd like to build up a full carbon frame at some time in the future. One thing I've noticed is that when working from a given saddle/stem/handlebar setup of proven comfort, shortening up the reach allows dropping the bars without having much effect. Looking forward to your build and ride impressions.
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That frame is a real LOOKer - simply gorgeous. Congratulations!
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Thanks for the kind words guys! Pigmode you read my mind. That is precisely my thought as well. I discoved what you apparently already know when riding my buddies new M/L Giant TCR. To my surprise that bike fit me pretty well. The bars were a bit lower but compensated with a shorter top tube as you say. I currently ride with my bars about an inch below my saddle with fairly long top tube and catch quite a bit of wind. With the new frame depending on how I will set it up, I am targeting for about an inch lower drop or a total of a 2 inch drop or so and 10 mm shorter reach. One nuance about Look frames is the 555 has slightly different angles then the others...a bit more slack seat post which I like because of my long legs. Their 57 which is C-to-C is really the equivalent of a Large in Giant...as Look only have one frame larger...a 59 which I presume would work well for somebody over 6'2" or so.
The other thing is the other variants of Look frames cost a bunch more in exchange for only a few grams. The 555 has the most steel like ride with slightly lower modulus CF.
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Can't wait for the pics John. What kind of front deraileur you gonna run with your ultra torque CT? I will need a clamp on Campy front derailleur for a 32mm seat tube. GVH a good source for a FD as well?
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George - Ohh I have FD for you. I am currently running a C Grey Centaur CT 32mm clamp on my Roubaix but I picked up a Record CT FD for it when I ordered the stuff for the Merckx. I can cut you a sweet deal on it if you are interested. The Merckx is getting a Std double and I got a Centaur Braze-On for it.
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My brother just got one and built it up with DuraAce. We climbed Mt. Diablo yesterday and he said that it had twice the acceleration of his previous Giant TCR. The built up weight using all of the components off of the Giant was 3/4 lb heavier than the Giant.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
George - Ohh I have FD for you. I am currently running a C Grey Centaur CT 32mm clamp on my Roubaix but I picked up a Record CT FD for it when I ordered the stuff for the Merckx. I can cut you a sweet deal on it if you are interested. The Merckx is getting a Std double and I got a Centaur Braze-On for it.
Hi John,
I am interested. Will PM you for the details.
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Originally Posted by cyclintom
My brother just got one and built it up with DuraAce. We climbed Mt. Diablo yesterday and he said that it had twice the acceleration of his previous Giant TCR. The built up weight using all of the components off of the Giant was 3/4 lb heavier than the Giant.
Hi Tom,
Congrats on making that climb! Thanks for the affirmation about the frame. I have yet to find someone who didn't love it. Have read a lot of reviews and they all say the same thing. I am surpised however your brother found such a difference in climbing against the TCR which is also a whale of a good frame. I could see such a disparity compared to a steelie but that much of a difference against a comparable level frame is quite startling. Perhaps some of the Look's stiffness and climbing aptitude is due to a small detriment in weight.
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