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Hey Rad, Vanilla frame on eBay

Old 11-05-06, 08:05 AM
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Hey Rad, Vanilla frame on eBay

It's listed here and seems legit!

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...3013&rd=1&rd=1
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I've been watching it. I'm not sure what to think about the 74.5 degree headtube in terms of handling characteristics.
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It'll be a little quicker and twitcher. Track Frames tend to have 74-75 degree headtubes for that reason. You could compensate by getting a fork with more rake.
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Originally Posted by nitropowered
It'll be a little quicker and twitcher. Track Frames tend to have 74-75 degree headtubes for that reason. You could compensate by getting a fork with more rake.

To my understanding, increasing rake decreases stability and handling. Consider this quote from the United Bicycle Institute TECHNICAL FORUM and also see this cut from Leonard Zinn's book on bicycle maintenance and tuning for a detailed explanation https://www.velonews.com/media/Block40.pdf.

"Most people confuse fork rake with trail. The more trail that a bike has, the more stable and slow steering the bike will be. Rake has an inverse relationship to trail. With no change in headtube angle, more rake=less trail and less rake=more trail. This relationship is the reason you see forks with less rake on larger bikes. The frame designer is trying to compensate for the steeper headtube angle of a larger frame (which reduces trail) by using a fork with less rake to get back some of the trail lost by the steeper headtube angle."
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You'd compensate by getting a fork with less rake - like a 40.
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Originally Posted by 55/Rad
I've been watching it. I'm not sure what to think about the 74.5 degree headtube in terms of handling characteristics.
Don't do it Rad, it's a matter of Principle now...
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Don't do it Rad, it's a matter of Principle now...
I won't be bidding on it....
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I explained that he could never pay me enough cash for the amount of work I had put into that bike and the only way to compensate me for it was to ride the hell out of it.
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It's been determined that the seller is indeed Vanilla bikes themselves. Seems there was an error in a customers frame and a replacement was made for him, leaving this one to go to Ebay. I would imagine a few people are waiting to snipe it.
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Really? That's pretty cool. The frame came up in the SS/FG forum, and people were pretty sketched out by the 0 feedback.
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Rad, are you gonna wig out if this frame gets put in line in front of your Tete at Acme? I'd go nuts, but maybe you have a better control of your temper than I do.
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Originally Posted by terry b
You'd compensate by getting a fork with less rake - like a 40.
a bit like making three lefts to go right, no?

the hta will affect effective reach as well--another point worth considering

sweet frame, I hope the right person finds it
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Rad, are you gonna wig out if this frame gets put in line in front of your Tete at Acme? I'd go nuts, but maybe you have a better control of your temper than I do.
No, I'm pretty much done with wigging out when it comes to Vanilla and Acme.
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