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Help me pick out a groupo

Old 11-05-06, 10:47 AM
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Help me pick out a groupo

Well my 105 (9) shifters, cassette, D/A, chain and bottom bracket are toast on my allez, figure it is time to change everything out.


I need advice on what groupo to get, I found the performance on the 105(9) groupo to be great but it quickly deteriorated probably due in part to laying it down once. I love the shimano style shifters, but Iíve hated the way shimano shifts so quietly, with out much indication of a gear change. It seems like the shifters for shimano wear out pretty quick which Iím not really liking, would I see improvements with D/A?

I love the loud engaging click you get in shifts with campy and my old xt mtb groupo. It feels so much more durable, precise, and comforting unlike the 105. I however donít like the shifter (donít know how Iíll shift in the drops while sprinting) set up on the campy, and the campy (record) stuff Iím looking at is a bit older 2003 hence my hesitation with going in that direction.



Basically I have the option of getting a brand new 105(10) groupo, a one year old D/A (10) group for 300 more or and older (2003) record group for the same price as the 105 groupo.

Whatís my best option with regards to performance, durability, economics? The more I save the more I can invest in a trainer which will improve my fitness far more then the groupo so keep that in mind.
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Campy is really easy to shift in the drops. If you can get 2003 record, which I think is identical to 2006 chorus, I'd pull the trigger on it.
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With the Campy stuff it is rebuildable. I've rebuilt my shifters when they have wornout, about $35 per side.
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I love how everyone always tries to sound cool calling them "gruppo" but can't spell it right. Heck, even the Campagnolo calls it "groupset" on the english pages.

That being said, I don't have any experience with Campy, but I have been pleased my my 105 groupset. DA is nice but I don't need the bling.

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Originally Posted by derath
I love how everyone always tries to sound cool calling them "gruppo" but can't spell it right. Heck, even the Campagnolo calls it "groupset" on the english pages.

That being said, I don't have any experience with Campy, but I have been pleased my my 105 groupset. DA is nice but I don't need the bling.

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Yeah, 105 is a solid groopoe.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Yeah, 105 is a solid groopoe.

LOL pwned!

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Okay, you like Campy's shifting action but are unsure about shifting it while sprinting from the drops. First, I'd be suprised if any competent rider couldn't adapt to either system, but which one they "like" better is another matter entirely. Second, access to Campy thumbshifters can be improved with a thoughtful approach to handlebar selection and hood setup. Third, Campy's thumbshifters tend to provide best access with the hands deep into the drops, in an aggressive riding posture with bent elbows.
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Originally Posted by derath
I love how everyone always tries to sound cool calling them "gruppo" but can't spell it right. Heck, even the Campagnolo calls it "groupset" on the english pages.

That being said, I don't have any experience with Campy, but I have been pleased my my 105 groupset. DA is nice but I don't need the bling.

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If you like bling it is "gruppo"....hence your groupset.
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If you're really all-out sprinting in the drops, are you on the saddle, or out of it? If you're out of the saddle in the drops, how much shifting do you need to do?
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McEwen doesn't seem to have any problems with campy.
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on a personal note, I think the Shimano shift/brake levers are U G L Y! They just look wrong.
Although they (Shimano) have come a long way as far as durability they can not be repaired...still.
As Dante pointed out, Campagnolo can be rebuilt inexpensively.
Another point to take into consideration if you have smaller hands the Campy may not be for you.
I LUV the fact the Campy's let you drop all the way to small cog by holding the thumb lever down:
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I knew I would catch flack for the use of the word “group(p)o” lol.

Anyhow, about the campy stuff I do have pretty small hands so it’s a bit of an issue, and I tend to grab the base of the drops while sprinting.
As for shifting in the sprint I guess I should clarify. What I was trying to indicate was that I like to have my hands where I’d have them to sprint prior to the actual sprint, for a quicker reaction if need be. I therefore need to be able to shift incase the pace picks up form this position.

Do you think a shallow drop bar would make the lever more accessible? I’m pretty sure I can adapt to them, I just don’t know how difficult it would be to reach the thumb lever in comparison to the shimano lever, which I feel is pretty easy to use in any position.

As for the 105 stuff, I know it’s pretty good stuff and I’m not looking for bling points lol. I just want a setup that will last without being to problematic.

Coming from a bmx where one is were pretty hard on components, it seems like I’m always replacing something or other on the road bike. I’ve already gone through two right shifters, one left shifters, and a ton of the normal wear and tear stuff. Mind you I ride 10-15 hours a week in every condition you can think of.
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Originally Posted by charlied
I knew I would catch flack for the use of the word “group(p)o” lol.
Still need to lose the "o"

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As for the 105 stuff, I know it’s pretty good stuff and I’m not looking for bling points lol. I just want a setup that will last without being to problematic.

Coming from a bmx where one is were pretty hard on components, it seems like I’m always replacing something or other on the road bike. I’ve already gone through two right shifters, one left shifters, and a ton of the normal wear and tear stuff. Mind you I ride 10-15 hours a week in every condition you can think of.
The 105 stuff is going to be able to take the hard use you will throw at it. In some ways, if I was hard on components I would go for the less expensive reliable stuff rather than the highest end. I would skip on DA probably.

The Campy I just don't know. Never used it. I am kinda interested in its "repairability". I haven't ever had a shifter break so I wouldn't know what you "fix" on one.

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time to make it a fixie and get a new bike...really. you get a better deal buy a complete package. but then again, I'm not a big fan of groupos myself. I like to mix and match stuff to get the performance and ride quality that I like.
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If you can hack the price, I would recommend SRAM Rival gruppo. I have Force on my new bike & love it. Solid, precise shifting, with a definite click you can feel & hear for the shift. It's very simple internally and some spare parts are already available from SRAM.
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1. It's gruppo.
2. Ultegra.
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I would get the Campy and try using a shallow drop round bar.
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SRAM rival group can be had off ebay for $600 and is comprable to D/A. It is the same as the force group but with out the bing factor of the carbon.
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Originally Posted by jrennie
SRAM rival group can be had off ebay for $600 and is comprable to D/A. It is the same as the force group but with out the bing factor of the carbon.
No, it's not.
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