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brianappleby 12-05-06 08:19 PM

So I made an equation...
 
for climbing.

First off, I apologize for the mixed units. They are just what I'm most familiar with...
v= speed in mph
P= power in watts
m=mass (weight) in lbs.
g=grade (6% grade would be entered as 6)
d=distance in miles of the climb
t= time in minutes to get to the top

first:

v=50P/(m*G)
t=1.2dmg/P

Boring I know but here's what i've learned:

For my weight (200lbs including the bike) and a 7% grade, losing 10 pounds off my ass or my bike is the same as increasing my power by 20 watts. 5 pounds gets me 10 watts.

For a climb that generally takes me 11 minutes, I can cut 17 seconds off that time by losing 5 lbs. or gaining 10 watts of power.

This is in the context of climbing and thus ignores air resistance.

hope it's helpful to someone.

B.

DrPete 12-05-06 08:23 PM

It's also assuming that the weight lost is not muscle, because the real key is watts per kg. Sometimes losing weight will actually lose you watts as well.

brianappleby 12-05-06 08:26 PM

/\word.

asgelle 12-05-06 09:07 PM

You might want to look at http://www.analyticcycling.com. They've done the work for you and you get to include all effects in all conditions without having to assume any, e.g. rolling resistance, are negligible.

brianappleby 12-05-06 09:56 PM

holy sheep. that website rocks. still proud of my work but thanks for the link.

ks1g 12-05-06 10:05 PM

If you want to play with the formulas more on your own, get from the library or buy a copy of Bicycling Science 3rd edition from MIT Press. An entire chapter is devoted to the bicycle power equation; that plus the info on analytic cycling and a good spreadhseet or graphing program and you can spend hours at least as productively as on bf :)

MrCjolsen 12-06-06 07:29 AM

Analyticcycling is where I discovered that if I spent $4000 for a bike 10 pounds lighter than the one I currently ride, I would get to work a whole 14 seconds sooner.

merlinextraligh 12-06-06 07:32 AM

also take a look here http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm

badkarma 12-06-06 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh

Yeah, that's a better resource. Upon a cursory look, the OP's equations look correct, but the full-blown equations are 2nd order ODEs that need to be numerically-integrated due to their non-linear nature - so that'll give you much more accurate results.

merlinextraligh 12-06-06 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by badkarma
Yeah, that's a better resource. Upon a cursory look, the OP's equations look correct, but the full-blown equations are 2nd order ODEs that need to be numerically-integrated due to their non-linear nature - so that'll give you much more accurate results.


thank god there are online calculators for this. Calculus was way too many years ago.


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