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22 yr old cyclist killed by drunk driver on bike path

Old 12-06-06, 04:11 PM
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22 yr old cyclist killed by drunk driver on bike path

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Eric Ng was killed Friday night cycling home on The west side bike path in nyc. He was a friend of my cousin Molly, other wise I wouldn't of known about this.

An outrage...huge loss.

That bike path needs to be completly re-designed....Second vehicle/bike death on the bike path in six months.

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The bike path doesn't need to be completly redsigned. It's still the safest place to ride in the city (besides central park). People (drivers and riders alike) need to be aware. There should be better barricades along the path though.

The guy got manslaughter charges for it, which I was very happy to hear.
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Read the article(s). Sounds like he was a really cool guy. I hate to say it, but, although the driver was drunk... he should've been wearing a helmet. This should be a lesson for all of us.
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A mother of three got run down on a sidewalk while jogging by a drunk driver here last week.

The problem is that often these a-holes have been convicted of DUIs in the past. Drunks don't think of laws or penalties.

One DUI -ban for life.
 
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One DUI -ban for life.
Plus mandatory jail time. Long enough to cost you your job.

Enough is enough.
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Originally Posted by kraftwerk
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Eric Ng was killed Friday night cycling home on The west side bike path in nyc. He was a friend of my cousin Molly, other wise I wouldn't of known about this.

An outrage...huge loss.

That bike path needs to be completly re-designed....Second vehicle/bike death on the bike path in six months.
After a similar incident on our local 9 mile long bike path (Orange Cty, NY, 50 miles NW of Manhattan) the County systematicallly installed blocking gates/posts/blocks at all the points where cars can gain access. It's just about physically impossible for any driver to get on the path now without the keys to unlock one of the heavy metal locking gates.

Regardless, the NY City incident is rather outlandish (even if it is a repeat case, this is MANHATTAN, the most intense urban environment imaginable compared to other bike path locations). Suggesting this somehow makes bike paths unsafe - particularly compared to the open road - is rather preposterous.
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Originally Posted by Mike552
Read the article(s). Sounds like he was a really cool guy. I hate to say it, but, although the driver was drunk... he should've been wearing a helmet. This should be a lesson for all of us.
according to this
https://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_336124958.html

he was thrown 50 feet from the collision site.

no helmet is going to save anyone with a hit like that
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Originally Posted by Mike552
Read the article(s). Sounds like he was a really cool guy. I hate to say it, but, although the driver was drunk... he should've been wearing a helmet. This should be a lesson for all of us.
A helmet wouldn't have made a difference.

But this is a tragedy, my sympathies go out to the Ng family.

I hope the driver gets it up the behind in jail everyday, and doesn't like it
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Originally Posted by munkyv22
Plus mandatory jail time. Long enough to cost you your job.
That's the part I find so funny (not haha, but strange funny). Most of these people retain their license because they "need to drive to get to work". You shoulda thought of that before you got plastered and drove! Not to mention there are busses, cabs, rails, and bikes! If those are too expensive, tough sh*t, you brought this upon yourself.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
That's the part I find so funny (not haha, but strange funny). Most of these people retain their license because they "need to drive to get to work". You shoulda thought of that before you got plastered and drove! Not to mention there are busses, cabs, rails, and bikes! If those are too expensive, tough sh*t, you brought this upon yourself.
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe there is no such stipulation in New York State. I know for a fact there is no such thing in New Jersey. I am all for stiff DUI sentencing, but to deny someone a livelihood and make the drunk's family suffer as a result, I don't believe is the answer.

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Originally Posted by baj32161
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe there is no such stipulation in New York State. I know for a fact there is no such thing in New Jersey. I am all for stiff DUI sentencing, but to deny someone a livelihood and make the drunk's family suffer as a result, I don't believe is the answer.
So the answer is allowing the driver to go back out and deny yet ANOTHER innocent person the right to live at all? Sorry, I have a DUI brother and I can tell you that the worst thing they ever did was give him his license back. Especially in New York or New Jersey, losing a car will not lose your livelyhood. As I said earlier, there are busses, rails, bikes, cabs, a ride from a coworker, a family member, a neighbor, a friend, etc. etc. etc. I most cases, the person cries boohoo before exploring any of those options. Besides, I would rather save an innocent life than a guilty one any day. Sorry, this country is full of people who don't live with their choices, and it costs honest people their lives. No thanks! If you made the mistake of getting drunk and then driving, deal with the consequences! Driving is a privilege, not a right!

A mother and her children were mowed down by a drunk driver in Los Angeles last week. All of them died leaving a widower father behind with NO FAMILY AT ALL. Talk about taking away someone's livelihood, and he didn't even do anything! That's not all, these accidents happen on a weekly basis in Los Angeles. Sorry if I sound harsh, but no sympathy from me. If someone ever kills a relative of mine because they did something that irresponsible, I don't care if they have to walk 5 miles to work... up hill both ways... in a snow storm! (slightly tongue-in-cheek, but you get the gist)
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oh, and I don't know if there are such stipulations out there, but here in CA they let people go all the time. Slap on the wrist, then they're surprised when the person does it again... and again... and again. Tell me you wouldn't wonder if it could have been prevented if, say, your mother got killed by a drunk driver who turned out to have 4 previous DUIs in the last 2 years? No wonder they call it MADD
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I agree with urbanknight. It's time for individuals to take responsibility for themselves in this country. If you take the chance, you serve the punishment.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
oh, and I don't know if there are such stipulations out there, but here in CA they let people go all the time. Slap on the wrist, then they're surprised when the person does it again... and again... and again. Tell me you wouldn't wonder if it could have been prevented if, say, your mother got killed by a drunk driver who turned out to have 4 previous DUIs in the last 2 years? No wonder they call it MADD
It doesn't help when you have paris hilton getting arrested for dui and shrugging it off saying it's no big deal. And to think, there's people who actually look up to that slutbag.....
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
That's the part I find so funny (not haha, but strange funny). Most of these people retain their license because they "need to drive to get to work". You shoulda thought of that before you got plastered and drove! Not to mention there are busses, cabs, rails, and bikes! If those are too expensive, tough sh*t, you brought this upon yourself.
I agree. This thing is getting serious enough, that we need to make the punishment so severe, no one would even thinking about driving drunk. If it wrecks people's lives (they lose their job, etc.), so be it. Enough people have died over DWI that I think it's time we stopped messing around.

Here in NM, it is not uncommon to hear about entire familes killed by a drunk driver. Then you find out that the drunk had 12 prior convictions and they still hadn't locked him up.

Or the one about the guy who had his license revoked. He worked for the BIA (Bereau of Indian Affairs). His job required him to drive, so his bosses just ignored the fact that his license had been revoked for DWI and sent him on his way. Well, big suprise, he got drunk and drove the wrong way up I-25. Now 6 people from Utah are dead in the road. What for? Why? Why wasn't his ass in jail? He had - I think - 6 or 7 priors.
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Originally Posted by badkarma
It doesn't help when you have paris hilton getting arrested for dui and shrugging it off saying it's no big deal. And to think, there's people who actually look up to that slutbag.....
Oh yeah, that opens a whole new can of worms. Since I live near these celebrities, I really reserve my respect for those which I see being respectable. A friend of mine worked at a country club where Brad Pitt played golf, and he never scheduled for a tee time but still wanted to tee off whenever he wanted. Minor transgression, but it shows how these people think they're above the law and rules.

Not to discredit all celebrities, of course. I met a few who were so polite that I was impressed. Just had to plug that in since we usually focus on the negative.
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There are traffic control methods in place for almost the entire pathway. For folks from out of town who've never seen it, there's one spot where a set of piers were rebuilt as a Sports/Entertainment center (skating rink, driving range, bowling etc.) which is where the drunk driver left from. To get back onto the West Side Highway you cross an intersection with the bike path first. I don't believe there are any places where there aren't blocking devices in place, but I understand that the guy drove through a pylon.

Not sure what the pylon was made of, or whether it was designed to flex, but it really is impossible not realize that you are on the path and it's all the more glaring if you've seen or ridden the Greenway.

However, I know of two deaths on the West Side Greenway and there are apparently a million users per year (from what I remember), which is a VERY busy load of pedestrians/cyclists/etc. to have only two fatalities annually. Anyone who has stats for use and injury for that spot who wants to add would be much appreciated.
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I say all drunk drivers have their arms surgically removed so they can't drive! That would be penalty enough!
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"Not sure what the pylon was made of, or whether it was designed to flex, but it really is impossible not realize that you are on the path and it's all the more glaring if you've seen or ridden the Greenway."

They are PLASTIC PYLONS I suppose so the cops or emercency vehicles (or drunks) can drive thru them with ease if needed...

"However, I know of two deaths on the West Side Greenway and there are apparently a million users per year (from what I remember), which is a VERY busy load of pedestrians/cyclists/etc. to have only two fatalities annually. Anyone who has stats for use and injury for that spot who wants to add would be much appreciated."

Correction: two fatalities in SIX MONTHS.

Don't get me wrong the West Side bike path is a miracle! It is the best thing to happen for cycling in NYC. thought I would never see the day... I have been riding here since 1985. It is almost perfect...yet not quite. Devoted to bicycles but accesible to vehicles is not good enough IMO.
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The pylons might also be plastic so people won't get hurt if they ride/run/rollerblade into them.
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"Regardless, the NY City incident is rather outlandish (even if it is a repeat case, this is MANHATTAN, the most intense urban environment imaginable compared to other bike path locations). Suggesting this somehow makes bike paths unsafe - particularly compared to the open road - is rather preposterous."


If the citizens of Orange County can enjoy safe bike pathes why cant the NY'ers? I never "suggested" bike paths are less safe than open roads.(!) Thats Crazy talk (!) read my post.

All this needs is for the people to step-up, a good re-design, allocation of funds, done.
Simple. But this is New York, not Orange County so it might take years...
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Originally Posted by superslomo
The pylons might also be plastic so people won't get hurt if they ride/run/rollerblade into them.
True, I thought about that. There are ways design the intersections so that the bike path gently curves AWAY from the roadway as it crosses an intersection... a kind of dog-leg, shuffle. Would work w/o pylons.
Any urban planners out there? A median strip could work as well with Emergency vehicle access parallell to the Bike Path AWAY from the intersections. There is a lot that could be done, really.
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I know this about DUIers. The ones that have caused bad things that we have talked about on bikeforums are all repeat offenders. The problem for these repeat offenders isnt that they have some general contempt for the law, it's that they are fking alcoholics. Most people who get busted for DUI are alcoholics, they arent guys who have a beer or two watching the Bulls game and then go home, they are guys who drink 5-10 beers after work every day and drive home. If you drive plastered 4-5x a week like these guys you are bound to get caught. These are the type of people we are talking about; they cannot stay sober. The solution is to not allow these people to drive. If they cannot stay sober, they cant drive. In my mind a 1st time DUIer should be treated just as severely as one who is a multiple offender. This is the only way to keep them off the road. They should not be allowed to drive for several years until they get their drinking problem under control. IF caught (common situation is to drive wa a suspended licence) then life altering penalties like jail must be given.
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^ That's true, but they also did not follow up when my brother did not attend any of the AA meetings he was supposed to, so I can only assume they let other offenders slide like that.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
^ That's true, but they also did not follow up when my brother did not attend any of the AA meetings he was supposed to, so I can only assume they let other offenders slide like that.
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You cannot 'mandate' sobriety. Judges 'sentence' drunks to AA. That exposes them to it. But unless THEY want to get sober, they'll drink AND drive again, licensed or not, ad nauseum.

The real answer is devices that prevent ANY car from being driven by somebody with alcohol in their system. The technology to make this possible exists now, and unobtrusive, passive systems will be possible very soon (ones that can sense it through your skin or in the car cabin for example). Are we ready to go to this 'extreme' ? I don't know. What's more 'extreme' sounding to you: somebody who's had one too many hailing a cab because their car won't start or your loved one or friend being pronounced dead on the site of a DUI car crash?

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