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Old 12-26-06, 11:37 AM
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IPod or similar

I'm looking at getting a portable music player such as an IPod at a Boxing Day sale, unfortuneately Santa didn't bring one. Want to make sure I can cycle with it once the snow melts here as well. Haven't owned a portable device since my Sony Walkman cassette in the '80's..

IPods seem to be the popular device.....anybody else cycle with one of these...? Any tips towards which model to purchase...?
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Old 12-26-06, 11:39 AM
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I would go for the Nano or the Shuffle because they are extremely small and light, therefore you could just throw it in a back pocket. The video models are larger, but they also have more storage space.
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Old 12-26-06, 11:41 AM
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I just bought a cell phone that plays music and I love it.
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Get the new ipod shuffle that clips onto a sleeve or pocket. I just bought one a few weeks ago and love it. You can put about 1000 songs on it I think. It's definitely teh perfect thing for cyclists (assuming you still ride safe and keep an ear out for stuff). The thing doesn't flop around, doesn't skip, it's so light that it's not going to fly off if you hit a pothole.
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+1 for the shuffle
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Old 12-26-06, 11:47 AM
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Another vote for the Shuffle.

One great thing about it is you can manipulate it's controls without looking at it - and with full finger gloves on.
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I vote Shuffle. No Skipp, no mess, just what you need for cycling and running.

I have a video, and i love it. With that said it is much larger and heavier. Also it is really not designed for pyhsical activities like cycling and Running.
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Old 12-26-06, 12:05 PM
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I have a Sony Walkman W810 cell phone that comes with stereo headphones and can play MP3s from its 4GB of memory. The headphones have a microphone so I can easily switch between music and phone calls. The phone also has a decent 2MP camera. Why stuff 3 devices in your pocket (camera, MP3 player, cell phone) when one will do?

However, when I am cycling, I shut the thing off. There are enough distractions on the road to worry about.
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Old 12-26-06, 12:10 PM
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You'd want one with flash memory (no skip) as opposed to a hard drive (..yes skip).

I don't vote for a Shuffle. They're sorta gimicky. You might as well get a nice little flash player with a screen, and then just set it on Shuffle mode while riding. Most of these not only have screens but FM radios built in too.

The Samsung YP-U2 is a sweet player on sale at Best Buy right now for less than the Shuffle. It has a pretty 3-line LCD display, FM Radio, and like the Shuffle can be plugged directly into a USB port for charging and uploading songs. It's seriously small, too.

If you're going the iPod route, then the Nano is a good choice. I also like the Creative Zen V Plus - it's less expensive than the Nano, much smaller than the Nano, has an FM tuner, and plays videos too.

Anyway, good luck! If you've got any more questions about mp3 players, I'm your guy. They're my second weakness after road bikes.

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The new little clip on 1gb shuffle is the only ipod product that's worth looking at from apple. Everything else is overpriced since there are identical superior item's on the market.

The only drawbacks to the little clip on shuffle is that there is no playlist support, and no screen to help you navigate thru to find a particular artist or song. All it has is regular, and random play options.


The sansa E200 Series has gained alot of popularity this christmas season. It would be comparable to an ipod mini/nano. It has excellent 20hr battery life with a user replacable lithium ion, 2-8gb flash storage that's usualy better price points. It also has plenty of features built in like expandable memory via micro SD, a voice recorder, FM tuner which can be recorded on the fly, video support(although transcoding is a PITA), pic support, and of course mp3 support.


I certainly like mine.
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I have an 8gb nano (2nd Gen) and I really enjoy it. I use Nike+ armband and headphones and it is a very good combo for the nano. I always just put it on "random" and then start my workout and never touch it until i am done. I think that i would have been just as well of with the shuffle and i would have saved quite a bit of money. just my 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by krazyderek
The new little clip on 1gb shuffle is the only ipod product that's worth looking at from apple. Everything else is overpriced since there are identical superior item's on the market.
¿Really?
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Old 12-26-06, 12:54 PM
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how about try one of the Oakley Wearable Electronics items... pretty cool stuff without the wires

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Get the iPod Nano. If you run as well as bike, you can get the Nike+ thing for it. I have the video iPod and ride my bike with it, but it's probably living on borrowed time, since it has a hard disk and hence, moving parts. It will die eventually.

If you get an ipod of any kind but the shuffle, make sure you get a case for it before you even take it out of the box.
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I just bought a Creative Zen 1GB. I looked at the Ipod also but didnt see a need to spend more. The Zen had everything I wanted and it even holds pictures. It was $80, and is very easy to use.
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The only thing I would add is that with devices that are not Apple branded, you will not get the convenience of the iTunes store. I have not found any other online music, movie, TV retailer that can match iTunes, not to mention the superior quality of the application itself. I think it is worth a few extra $$ to have access to flawless integration between hardware and software. IMHO.
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Originally Posted by BigSean
I just bought a Creative Zen 1GB. I looked at the Ipod also but didnt see a need to spend more. The Zen had everything I wanted and it even holds pictures. It was $80, and is very easy to use.
+1 on the 1 gb zen. I love it. Gives you more selection control than the shuffle does.
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I just use a little 1 gig Sansa player. Cost about $40 last year on an after Christmas sale.
I checked out the itunes store but couldn't find near the amount of music (that I normally listen to) that I have found on Napster's online service. (the new Napster, not the old illegal one) Current total cost of my Napster downloads -- about .03 per song vs .99 a song on itunes.
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Originally Posted by krazyderek
The new little clip on 1gb shuffle is the only ipod product that's worth looking at from apple. Everything else is overpriced since there are identical superior item's on the market.
Originally Posted by velorapide
¿Really?
This of course is only one persons opinion. After weeks of looking at mp3 players I decided to go with an iPod Video. Orginally I didn't want anything to do with iTunes because my last mp3 player was a Shuffle, and I think iTunes sucks, and they are more expensive. But the iPod's are more mature, refined, and polished, and that is worth some more money to me. As for iTunes, I decided to look on the internet to see if there was any alternatives. I found this software that I love which totaly replaces iTunes: Anapod Explorer I only keep iTunes for updating firmware and such. Anapod works with all iPods.
As for cycling with a hard drive player, I don't think it's quite as big a deal as some say. But the quality of the pavement you will be something to consider.
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Don't do it - you're making yourself a hazard on the road. I've seen my share of oblivious drivers, bladers, walkers and cyclists wearing ear buds, and of course they all think it's the other people who are dangerous, I can do it safely.
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No one can make the judgement for another person about where, when, and if to listen to music while riding. I often put in long base mile rides on the rail trail, and the music is the only thing that keeps me sane and motivated. There is almost no danger on the trail, no one ever passes me, and if there is an obstacle (a moron) ahead, I simply pull the headphones out. On the road itself, theres lot's of different roads and situations. I would never wear headphones in town. On the rural roads, I don't like have the head phones in, but it does not concern me to have the right headphone tucked on the collar of my jersey so I can hear it. However I don't like to let motorists see any sign of listening to music, I think that represents cyclists in a poor way.
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Yes it is my opinion.

I used itunes once, and only once. It was probably the worst service i have ever used to get music online, the program was slow, and lacked any type of support. When i tried to purchase a US playlist from canada I got absolutely no where and had to figure out myself that it wasn't possible. There isn't a customer service number to call. Even though all the songs where on the canada side of the itunes database, i had to go find them myself. During which time i found another delightfull little treat, itunes is one of the only online purchasing system's where you have to go fiddle around in the options and settings to enable "add to cart", like what the hell? So as for buying an ipod so i can have the priveledge of using itunes, right..... i don't think so.

Add onto that the rediculus cost's of owning an ipod (you have to buy a whole new ipod when the battery dies, well unless you want to take a knife to it and try and get at the battery). If you want to check out a weather update on the radio? Well they finaly came out with the nifty add on FM tuner, and it will only cost you 30$! Want to record voice? Sure! if you buy the mic you have to plug in to the top of the unit, and try not to snap it off or lose it by accident. (both these features are built into other players, like the sansa e200 series, and they cost less then an ipod).

But hey, that's just one guy's opinion. If an ipod work's for you, all the power to'ya.
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I didn't mean offense by the way I stated that, sorry. But my point is that you can get around some of the issues about the iPod. iTunes can be completely bypassed. For some people the cost isn't as much of a factor. The battery was a concern for me, but I decided in a year or two, or whenever it gets bad, there are ways to replace it yourself if you are adventurous, or you can have it replaced for $60 shipping included. Voice recording doesn't matter to me, and I realized that with all 150+ of the albums I now have on my iPod, I would probably never listen to the radio. I do believe that Apple is as bad as Microsoft in most ways, but you can look for mods and hacks to get around their corporate tyranny.
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Originally Posted by HDWound
I just use a little 1 gig Sansa player. Cost about $40 last year on an after Christmas sale.
I checked out the itunes store but couldn't find near the amount of music (that I normally listen to) that I have found on Napster's online service. (the new Napster, not the old illegal one) Current total cost of my Napster downloads -- about .03 per song vs .99 a song on itunes.
The San Disk Sansa 1 gig player is "on sale" with rebate for around $40 at many stores. Unlike the shuffle, it has a screen that allows you to see the artist and song information. You control which songs are played, by selecting the album, the artist, or the designated "play list" you want to hear.

The best feature might be the FM radio. It gets better reception in the inner city Houston area than some FM receivers that cost ten times its price.

The included earphones don't stay in very well, and have mediocre tone. But, the Sansa has built-in EQ that can fine-tune higher quality headphones to deliver outstanding response from deep bass to the upper treble. The Sony MDR-EX51 ear buds, combined with the Sansa FM and Sansa EQ yield the best FM sound I've heard.
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Originally Posted by b-jet
No one can make the judgement for another person about where, when, and if to listen to music while riding.
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I would never wear headphones in town.
You've learned or reasoned that headphones aren't safe in certain situations, but not everyone is as thoughtful as you - they need to be told. If they ignore my advice (and it is just advice - it's not like I'm coming to their town to rip their mp3 player from their jersey) they have at least been warned.

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On the rural roads, I don't like have the head phones in, but it does not concern me to have the right headphone tucked on the collar of my jersey so I can hear it. However I don't like to let motorists see any sign of listening to music, I think that represents cyclists in a poor way.
I don't get that logic. If you don't see a problem why are you been stealthy? And the drivers are all listening to their car radio, so why should they care what you're doing? Anyway, my problem is with headhones, earbuds and cellphones. Having occasionally tried them on the road myself, and observed many other people do stupid or dangerous things with them on and not even realize it, I know they are a much greater distraction than music from a more remote source.
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