gfrance

https://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.01/pound.html

jrennie

making a quick note to add Dick pound to the people I'd like to hit in the throat with a pipe

slvoid

There is something mildly disturbing about the subject title.. and the subsequent post by the guy above...

Paul L.

See Dick Pound. Pound Dick pound.

Doggus

heh...heh....he said throat...and pipe.

bac

He used to run WADA. No joke, but funny none the less!

davefarb

Dick Hertz...

Dubbayoo

Hmmm.

So apparently 'effort' counts for nothing. If Joe A puts in 100% every single day, Tom B puts in 98% every single day and Billy C puts in 100% every day but misses 2-3 workouts a month they're all going to have the same results if they're genetically equal and off drugs?

daytonian

My moneys on Billy C for knowing to taper!

Rancid

dick pound indicts what he calls "a win-at all costs sports culture" while he breaks WADA's own rules of arbitration to defamate athletes who are suspected of doping........it would be ironically funny if it wasn't so tragic and infuriating

Gee3

Does that article make anyone question the innocence or guilt of Landis? Or more to the point... Did the article change your mind on Landis and that maybe he is, indeed, innocent?

It's interesting to see how one man can become so powerful, and just maybe that power may have gone to his head a bit too much. Is he that powerful that the WADA people are afraid to attempt to bring him down?

As a newbie to the sport I find it interesting that the head of WADA is so un-diplomatic and very vocal whilst a case, or even testing, hasn't even been completed.

I can see why he gets angry being burnt by the Johnson case. But should someone like that who can't keep his emotions in-check be running the show and essentially breaking his own rules?

It certainly doesn't project Pound in a very good light.

Dubbayoo

The article didn't change my opinion but the information on Floyd's website convinced me that, truly innocent or not, there were enough mistakes made and ambiguity present to warrant exonerating him.

Gee3

If he wins do you think that people will say he got off on a technicality and that he is still a cheat?

cyclintom

When you're a professional you put in 100% all the time. Unless you're Jan Ullrich and have so superior genes that you can afford to slack off now and again. Let's not forget that if Lance wasn't there, Jan would have won every Tour he was in - easily. And he wouldn't have been tempted to use illegal means.

Snuffleupagus

F'n A Right!

cyclintom

Let's see - the initial testing shows a testosterone/epitestosterone ratio of 4.5:1 which by the way is well within the natural ratios of athletes. It was reduced from a more realistic 6:1 because they wanted to show that they were testing more often.

The second test came up 11:1. Since the lab claims that they have an accuracy of +/- 30% this immediately signaled that there was something drastically wrong with Floyd's test. Either someone spiked it or there was (which is probably the case) some sort of contamination, perhaps bacterial, in the urine that was consuming the epitestosterone.

Now since the sample was contaminated, the fact that it test a slightly higher carbon isotope ratio is complete immaterial since the contamination made all the other tests unreliable.

By the way - reducing the ratio to 4:1 tripled the tests but only changed the positives by a couple of percent. And since the practices of at least that lab have come under scrutiny we need to wonder whether we haven't just seen more framing.

This isn't a technicality - in fact it is a classroom example of poor laboratory practices on absolutely the highest levels. This completely aside from the fact that the bookkeeping errors showed equally sloppy practices in this so-called high end testing laboratory.

Rancid

It doesn't make him innocent in my eyes, but it does make me question the accuser and his level-headedness. His adamant quest to end doping is unbridled and wreckless and has the potential to damage innocent athletes and the sport as a whole.

Its almost a microcosm of Bush and the war on terror

Rob944

I just dont understand why all athletes subject to WADA are not screaming for his resignation. His breaches of ethics and protocol are just amazing and it appears that he answers to no one. He is the J. Edgar Hoover of the sports world.

kensuf

I think the answer to that one's a pretty obvious and emphatic No. He's too eager to indict, humiliate, and villify anyone that he deems guilty.

After reading that article, and a few other interviews with Mr. Pound, I'm convinced he's just a bitter man out to wage his own vision of retribution.

Ant

I'm all for ending doping but that guys' gotta go. The head of the "Control" organization should be the MOST impartial person. You have to wonder how many careers and lives he has/will ruin with his wreckless witchhunt.

thewalrus

from cyclocosm.com

Tuesday, December 19, 2006
Top 10 Ways I'd Like to See Dick Pound Die

I know, I know - it's not nice to wish death upon people. But I'm not doing that. Everyone, Dick Pound included, is going to die someday. I'm simply compiling a list of the Top Ten ways in which I'd like to see him pass on.

It was extremely hard to limit this to ten items, by the way, so feel free to add any you think should have made the cut in the "comments" section.

Top 10 Ways I'd Like to See Dick Pound Die
10) Starving to death following bankruptcy after being forced to pay accused dopers' legal fees.

9) Surgical complications after undergoing medical procedure that has not met peer review.

8) Brain embolism and resulting hemorrhage after high profile athlete beats a dope case.

7) Beaten to death by frustrated CycleSport reporter after recycling same three soundbites for the umpteenth time.

6) Suicide after being wrongly accused of a child pornography and realizing that a "not guilty" verdict won't salvage his reputation.

5) Traffic accident while commuting between his three six-figure jobs.

4) Asthma attack; lethal because employer banned him from using a rescue inhaler.

3) Blood coagulation after being transfused with the wrong blood type due to "routine lab error".

2) Wrongly sentenced to death after prosecution witnesses are legally prevented from presenting exculpatory evidence.

1) Injected with a lethal dose of EPO by Nazi frogmen.

El Diablo Rojo

From the get go the only thing that has had me questioning Flandis' guilt was the choice of drug. To achieve what Floyd needed to do, regain 8min, testosterone was A) not the drug of choice and B) easily discovered. Floyd seems to me to have an IQ that would test above some one with a mental handicap so I find hard to believe that he would knowingly inject testosterone and then win a stage knowing that he would be tested and caught. If the drug had been EPO or if he had been caught blood doping I wouldn't be nearly as sceptical.

gfrance

My feelings basically mirror ElDiablo's. However, one thing still hangs me up in what played out in his big stage. What if Landis was thinking all along that he would have some company in the breakaway and was planning on giving the stage win to another to avoid testing. When nobody challenged, he had no choice but to go it alone. Still, it just doesn't make sense--the drug of choice.

shakeNbake

Don't forget to checkout this thread:

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ight=zabriskie

Hambone

I'm not a science guy. From the beginning I really wanted to believe that Landis was innocent and as has been said, testosterone didn't seem like the dope of choice for this kind of heroic effort but it still came down to "But then how did the juice get in his sample?"

I'm not big on conspiracy theories.

Then I read something like what I quote from cyclintom below. That little piece of information, that there is a basic scientific explanation for how what has been measured could happen in a clean sample was enough of a doubt for me. That nobody in the mainstream media has discussed this part of the whole subject seems unfair.

(Kind of makes me glad I still haven't erased stage 17 from the Tivo.)