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SRAM Force vs. Rival

Old 01-04-07, 10:45 AM
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SRAM Force vs. Rival

I am toying with a build, and was looking over the two SRAM groups, and was kind of stunned:

The Force is vastly more expensive than the Rival group, and saves you less than 200 grams

It seems almost like they made the Rival good enough that it isn't worth the money to bump up, other than the bling/carbon factor. Do the other companies intentionally make the lower-end groups heavier than they need to or what?

Is there any reason to suspect that Rival will be less durable than Force? Other than that, I can't really figure out how anybody could justify the extra $$$.
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Rumor has it the internal mechanism on the Rival shifters is the same as Force, the only thing different is the lever blades. I put Force on my bike but only because I got a great deal on it... and I've never owned a top-of-the-line group from any manufacturer before. Big jump from 105.
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From website reviews the main difference is the finish; otherwise performance should be near equal.
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Id rather put together a hybrid groupset. You can do it just about as cheap as buying a complete group. This is what I would use.

Rival shifters (I prefer them over the Force shifters actually)
Ultegra or DA crankset and BB
Ultegra or DA front derailer
Rival rear derailer
Rival brakes

If you want to experience the double tap, sram's ergonomic shifters, etc without the only real downside of the SRAM group (The front shifting), this is the way to go. I also think the Rival crank tends to flex where the Shimanos don't.

I think SRAMs front brakes stop better than Shimano's and they are lighter.

I priced this groupset out on Ebay last week and it came up to under $600.00 for everything.
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Originally Posted by JayC
Id rather put together a hybrid groupset. You can do it just about as cheap as buying a complete group. This is what I would use.

Rival shifters (I prefer them over the Force shifters actually)
Ultegra or DA crankset and BB
Ultegra or DA front derailer
Rival rear derailer
Rival brakes

If you want to experience the double tap, sram's ergonomic shifters, etc without the only real downside of the SRAM group (The front shifting), this is the way to go. I also think the Rival crank tends to flex where the Shimanos don't.

I think SRAMs front brakes stop better than Shimano's and they are lighter.

I priced this groupset out on Ebay last week and it came up to under $600.00 for everything.
Is the SRAM FD bad, or just their rings? I know I didn't like shifting the Truvativ rings, and that was with an Ultegra FD.
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How would a DA front derailleur help the shifting? I thought the complaint was that the shifter couldn't be trimmed for the front. In that case, I don't know how the front derailleur could compensate.

FWIW, I am looking at a kit builder which (when you exclude all the other parts) gives me a price of $521 for:

Rival shifters, brakes, both derailleurs, and an FSA Gossamer compact with mega-exo BB.
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Originally Posted by voltman
Is the SRAM FD bad, or just their rings? I know I didn't like shifting the Truvativ rings, and that was with an Ultegra FD.
I have a Force FD and don't particularly like it - its stamped construction looks a bit cheap compared to the Dura Ace unit, and it's a little bit heavier.
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Is the SRAM FD bad, or just their rings? I know I didn't like shifting the Truvativ rings, and that was with an Ultegra FD.
Its probably the rings. A FD is only gonna do so much. But if you're going to use Shimano up front, you might as well use it all. I have a hybrid setup like this on my Blue while my Pedal Force is 100% SRAM and the front shifting on the Blue is tremendously better than the Pedal Force.
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What needs to be done to make the two systems play well together?
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If you use the components I listed, nothing.

If you try to mix a Shimano RD and SRAM shifters, you will need a Shiftmate. The SRAM shifters work the Shimano FD fine.
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Originally Posted by JayC
Id rather put together a hybrid groupset. You can do it just about as cheap as buying a complete group. This is what I would use.

Rival shifters (I prefer them over the Force shifters actually)
Ultegra or DA crankset and BB
Ultegra or DA front derailer
Rival rear derailer
Rival brakes

If you want to experience the double tap, sram's ergonomic shifters, etc without the only real downside of the SRAM group (The front shifting), this is the way to go. I also think the Rival crank tends to flex where the Shimanos don't.

I think SRAMs front brakes stop better than Shimano's and they are lighter.

I priced this groupset out on Ebay last week and it came up to under $600.00 for everything.
Interesting. The media reports say that SRAM put a lot of the new group R&D into that front derailleur; though I believe the goal was more compact/standard chainring compatibility than best shifting outright.
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Originally Posted by JayC
Id rather put together a hybrid groupset. You can do it just about as cheap as buying a complete group. This is what I would use.

Rival shifters (I prefer them over the Force shifters actually)
Ultegra or DA crankset and BB
Ultegra or DA front derailer
Rival rear derailer
Rival brakes

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I recently did something like this for my "new" bike that I'm building this winter. I went Rival on the Shifters, front and rear d, and brakes. I'm using the R700 cranks, Ultegra cassette, and Ultegra chain. I still need handlebars, stem, and wheels (although I have temp of all of them).

I'm looking forward to trying out the Rival stuff as my other two road bikes are vintage rides with 600 and cyclone running 8 speed friction.
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Hmm.. according to sram's website the difference in weight between rival and force is only 77 grams, .169lbs.
Glad I saved my money on rival.
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