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Klein framesets - opinions/thoughts?

Old 01-11-07, 05:42 PM
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Klein framesets - opinions/thoughts?

What's everyone's experience with Klein frames? I come from the oldschool MTB days when I worshipped anything and everything from Klein. I always lusted after a Klein MTB, and now that I'm thinking about ditching my current rain/commuting road bike in favor of something that fits me better, I keep coming back to my first love, Klein.

How do these stack up to the competition now-a-days in terms of stiffness? Are they competatively light weight, generally speaking? Anything "odd" or generally undesirable about them? I don't see a lot of them on the road anymore and can't figure out of that's because there's something undesirable about them, if they just get stuck in the shadows of their big corporate brother Trek, or if they're generally perceived as being built for the non-competative crowd.

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Never owned one but did take the Quantum Race out for a ride about 8 years ago and I found myself wondering how they made an aluminum frame feel like something more compliant. It was very comfortable, very nicely finished and really pretty looking with the Klein paint job. They are also not that common these days so you get to be a member of an elite club...
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They are nice with exceptional paint. However they fell out of demand for several reasons - they were expensive compared to other Al frames like Cannondale, they didn't keep making improvements/new models, their marketing was poor, and didn't come out with anything new at the time many Pro's started riding Al more. In short, the company stagnated.
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Marketing and all the other crap aside....

I've been thrilled my my Reve X.
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Trek bought them in 1995 and after some years of innovation and marketing they have now mostly shelved the brand (nothing against Trek). I'd guess Kleins last Hurrah was the sponsorship of Gerolsteiner. I'm sure you are aware that they will have almost non-existent availability in the US from now on, but are popular in asia where they will be marketed the most.



As I recall, the old ones can still hold their own in terms of weight, stiffness, and ride to anything else out there today. And of course newer version were obviously used by pros up to 2002.

Remember that ad where the Klein was holding up the Porche on its "rack" (not really it was just an upside photo). The caption was something to the effect that Klein owner prefer to ride and haul their expensive cars on a rack, not the otherway around.
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I have a 2004 Aura XV and I love it. It's light and very comfortable.
I'm 6'2" (210 lbs.) and ride 5 to 6 days a week and I have never had any issues with the bikes durability.

I also like the fact that I am the only rider in my area that I've seen riding one.

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Some Kleins had proprietary stuff that will get harder to find replacements for - BBs, stems, forks... 2002 or newer though and you shouldn't have any problem.

I know the road bikes a lot better than their MTBs but I've ridden a Palomino which was really cool, and an Adroit Pro and that was also an excellent bike.

HISTORY of Klein road bikes on my blog.





My Klein - changes color from green to bronze to purple. A superior ride.

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I was kinda figuring it must have something to do with lack of marketing. I can't imagine Trek trying to push them heavily, considering the wild success of their Madones. I always loved them in days of yore, and am *hoping* to score either a whole bike or just a frameset to replace my current bike. It's nice to know ya'all love them as much as I thought you would.

Clutch49, that's the EXACT bike I've bee eyeing, actually. Looks awesome!
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Clutch49, that's the EXACT bike I've bee eyeing, actually. Looks awesome![/QUOTE]


Thanks!
It's a great bike. Hope you get what your looking for.

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Originally Posted by teterider
I'm sure you are aware that they will have almost non-existent availability in the US from now on, but are popular in asia where they will be marketed the most.
hmmmm... My LBS is a Klein dealer?
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They are nice bikes for sure. I had two Klien Mt bikes. I loved them. The last one I sold to my younger brother. It had a pressed in proprietory BB assembly which made it hard to get a replacement carnkset for when the old one wore out. He still has it.

There road bikes are nice as well. But Alu with some CF rear drops is as fancy as they get. Nice paint though. I'd buy on if I was looking for a bike and could find the correct size for a good price.
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I have no experience with Klein Road bikes, but I love my Palomino MTB. The internal cables and paint are just the little details that make Klein frames a little cooler than others.
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Originally Posted by Foovanadil
hmmmm... My LBS is a Klein dealer?
Word from a Trek/Klein dealer is that US dealers can still order Kleins but they have to buy 200 of them up front so he didn't think many dealers would be doing it... maybe some though.

Plus I think the 2007 Kleins are carbon fiber... not what Klein fans are really looking for anyway.
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I think they frame dynamics are fantastic, but WTF is up with the rear-entry dropouts?

With vertical dropouts, I can install and remove a rear wheel without touching anything but the seatpost, rim/tire, and quick release lever. On Kleins, I have to touch the chain and/or the rear der. Can't stand it.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
I think they frame dynamics are fantastic, but WTF is up with the rear-entry dropouts?

With vertical dropouts, I can install and remove a rear wheel without touching anything but the seatpost, rim/tire, and quick release lever. On Kleins, I have to touch the chain and/or the rear der. Can't stand it.
I've wondered the same thing, but imagine it has something to do with them wanting to be "unique" in at least some visual and/or tangible way.
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott
Word from a Trek/Klein dealer is that US dealers can still order Kleins but they have to buy 200 of them up front so he didn't think many dealers would be doing it... maybe some though.

Thats even more interesting. My LBS certianly doesn't have 200 of them in the shop (unless he has some other hidden warehouse or something. I don't even think that he could fit 200 bikes period in the shop (and he carries Bianchi and Kona as well)

I will have to inquire next time I stop in.
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Klein bikes, just like Ritchey, are and were excellent. They just didn't continue to evolve as rapidly as many other brands. Both resisted moving to carbon fiber and for Ritchey mountain bikes, they never went with full suspension, limiting them selves to elite cross country racers. Would a Klein road bike be the best aluminum frame that you could buy? That's a tough question and a very personal decision. Like one of the others who posted on this thread said, 10 or more years ago, they were the ultimate in aluminum. When very few bikes were made from aluminum other then Cannondale and Klein, the latter of the two was the cream that rose to the top. Some may even remember the law suit that Klein brought against Cannondale that I think had to do with a patten on manufacturing technique.
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Klein bikes, just like Ritchey, are and were excellent. They just didn't continue to evolve as rapidly as many other brands. Both resisted moving to carbon fiber and for Ritchey mountain bikes, they never went with full suspension, limiting them selves to elite cross country racers. Would a Klein road bike be the best aluminum frame that you could buy? That's a tough question and a very personal decision. Like one of the others who posted on this thread said, 10 or more years ago, they were the ultimate in aluminum. When very few bikes were made from aluminum other then Cannondale and Klein, the latter of the two was the cream that rose to the top. Some may even remember the law suit that Klein brought against Cannondale that I think had to do with a patten on manufacturing technique.
+1 I'm glad to have gotten a Ritchey Road Logic between my knees before they stopped making them

...I still want one of those old P21s really really bad...
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My wife loves her quantum. It handles well, fits perfectly, & has a fantastic Jimi Hedrix purple paint job. The best part is that this is her second frame. The first frame came with a lifetime warranty. She fractured her seat tube while riding Cycle Oregon one year. The lbs where we purchased it gave her a new frame for free and even remounted all the components. This of course was all pre Trek.
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I ride a Klein Q Carbon Team. One of the best frames that I have ever ridden. I weigh 190, and can climb the steepest hills here in SF without a hint of BB flex. The frame however does not have a harsh ride over bad pavement. The paint is beatiful and rugged, but the clear coat sucks...Go figure. Other than that, a great frame.
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I remember buying a Cannondale frameset in '86 at the height of the Klein v. Cdale patent infringement suit. Alot of people I associated with took the Klein side and told me "my" bike company would soon cease to exist.

As the lawsuit dragged on most, including me, lost interest. I honestly don't know how it resolved though Cdale continued to exist obviously.

For me the choice was obvious. I was in college. Both would easily build up into a 21-22# bike. Kleins were real expensive. Cdale frameset went for $220 IIRC.

Never have had a chance to ride a Klein though I recently resurrected that Cdale SR600.


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Originally Posted by waterrockets
+1 I'm glad to have gotten a Ritchey Road Logic between my knees before they stopped making them

...I still want one of those old P21s really really bad...
I sure do wish that I had bought one of those also, or even his Road Classic which Tom did most of the work on and offered in limited quantities. The new travel frames are nice, but honestly, I might take advantage of that feature very seledom. So, why should I pay a premium for it? Why not offer both his steel and Ti road frames, and his cyclo cross frames as break away and standard one piece? I think it was a foolish move on Ritchey's part, but I also think that he sort of abandoned his earlier market. The fact that you so seldom see any of his stuff in the mountain bike arena is really strange. I agree that those P21s were very nice, as were the NiTis.
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