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New position - please critique

Old 01-23-07, 02:12 PM
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New position - please critique

I've been playing around with my position to find the right setback, reach and saddle height to optimise power output and comfort. The position in the link below seems to offer the best power (measured over 20-30min), while still being comfortable and reasonably aerodynamic. Does the position look reasonable? Any thoughts or suggestions? Please ignore the mess in the background - it's time for a tidy-up.

http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g217/donm79/

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Old 01-23-07, 02:18 PM
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I'm thinking you look just a bit far back over the pedals. Have you considered sliding the seat up just a tad? That would appear to get you into more of a KOPS position, and would also reduce your reach to the bars, which looks maybe just a touch long right now. Just a thought hard to diagnose from static pics.
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you want help, here's some help. next time make it easier, and link the pics yourself.



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I think you need a 6 and a 9 o'clock pic to help determine seat position and leg angles. Looks a bit stretched out to me, but if the drop/stem length feel fine, go for it.
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Looks like your cleats are too far back on your shoes. If you fix that then your seat will probaly need to move forward a smidge
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And please throw away that purple tie.


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This is fine, his eye-line is direct with the bar and the front axle. The seat may be setback about 1cm too much.
 
Old 01-23-07, 02:25 PM
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Oh yeah, bend your elbows.
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ultra helpful critique: your room is messy.

some critique you might care about: It looks like your handlebars are angled down a little. I prefer them slightly more level. After doing that on my bike, I find that it made riding in the drops more comfortable and therefore made the position that makes me more aero and provides the most power more comfortable. However there was some sacrifice for this. While it made the drops more comfortable compared to the hoods with the handle bars at that same level angle, it is not as comfortable overall compared to when I had the bars angled up (and the stem angled up as well).
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Old 01-23-07, 03:01 PM
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I think you look too far back, but that depends a lot on your flexibility.
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After plenty of advice to move the seat forward, I moved it ~1cm up. I also bent my elbows. See how this looks:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...9/P1010067.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...9/P1010066.jpg
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personally, that would put a lot of strain on my neck (to keep eye on the road), and possible shoulder/scapula

but thats just me. ride 30 miles and see how that feels



2nd set of photos appears good
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wear a freakin shirt. this is primarily a dude forum
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is your front tire on the floor or on a block? Doesn't look like the bike itself is level, which makes this whole excersize moot.
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Originally Posted by onkey
wear a freakin shirt. this is primarily a dude forum
I thought it would be easier to see my torso angle, hip angle and spinal curves with no shirt on. I don't have any jerseys that are the right colour to stand out against a dark background.
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Old 01-23-07, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by onkey
wear a freakin shirt. this is primarily a dude forum
If he had more hair on his chest, i'd go so far as to say that he's sexy. Unfortunately, he doesn't, so I won't.
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aargh. wear a shirt. I can't stop staring at your nipples.
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Originally Posted by FrankBattle
aargh. wear a shirt. I can't stop staring at your nipples.
Dude, did you just admit that you're staring at my nipples? Seriously, though, how prudish are you guys? The sight of another guy with his shirt off bothers you? Have you ever been in a locker room? Have you ever played sports? There's nothing sexual or strange about it.
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Yeah, I'm just not a hairy guy. I guess you can't please everyone.
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*who said it was sexual? I don't want to stare at your nipples! I'm not in a locker room. I do that every other day, and I don't stare. Do you stare?*

By the way, I have nothing constructive to say about your position. If it feels comfortable for you .. eh!
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Old 01-23-07, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankBattle
*who said it was sexual? I don't want to stare at your nipples! I'm not in a locker room. I do that every other day, and I don't stare. Do you stare?*

By the way, I have nothing constructive to say about your position. If it feels comfortable for you .. eh!
FWIW, you were the one who pointed out that you were staring.
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I think that looks pretty good. The long reach will help you get lower & more aero as you get stronger & more flexible over time. Being slightly behind KOPS actually does give you a little more power if you've got smooth pedal strokes, but it does make the knees slightly more vulnerable.
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Old 01-23-07, 04:58 PM
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I am not trying to be trite, but if you can afford a Seven and a Powertap go ahead and spring for a fitting from a professional. It will be far more helpful than whatever you get here (ties, nipples, et al).
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You really need to BEGIN with the KOPS method, and make your other adjustments from there.

You should never move your saddle up/back to change your reach. Your fore/aft saddle position should be determined by KOPS (knee over pedal spindle) method. You can tweak this KOPS position a bit for your personal feel. Then, make other (not saddle fore/aft) changes to get more power, and aero.

Again, start with KOPS, and adjust from there.

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