ctimrun

I have done tons of research and have narrowed it down, but I want your expertise for my specifics.

I ride a Serotta ti legend and I weigh in at 190 to 200 lbs. I have been riding Mavic Ksyrium SL's which I realy like, but have found them to be quite flexy laterally, and a bit of a stiff ride (I think?). I used to have a set of ultegra/open pros which I rode for thousands of miles with no troubles or turing necessary. I want to have a similar combo again, however I now ride Campy.

I was thinking of ordering one of the following:

DT 240 hubs, DT RR1.1 32 spoke rims, and DT spokes. (probably from excel sports)

Mike Garcias combo with his speedcific hubs, DT RR1.1 32 rims, and DT spokes.

Record hubs with Dt RR1.1 32 rims, and DT spokes.

I think I am also going to try a 12/25 or higher cassette instead of my 11/23 cassette I have right now, to help me spin a little faster up the hills. My cranks are 53/39.

What would you do? How would these be compared to the Ksyriums I have been riding?

garysol1 

Ksyrium wheels are a tad heavy and un-aero but I don't think flexy is a word I would use for them.

toothless

campy hubs w/ open pro rims?

sep999

I also don't find Mavics flexy and I weigh in around 200lbs. I have run Mavic SL's for over 6000 miles without a problem and only been tweeked (trued) twice. Plus, as clinchers go, they aren't really all that heavy.

caloso

Why not Record (or Chorus or even Centaur for that matter?) hubs and Open Pro rims?

bbp

Thats what I have as a beater wheel. Have had it for 3 years and have only had to true it once after I crashed.

roadracine

Check out the new Record hubs. Nice and light. I have older ones laced to Velocity Areohead rims. No problems.

get_nuts

Chris King hubs. Other hubs may as well be made out of baloney compared to those beats.

merlinextraligh

you're riding a Serotta. Zipp 404's would be appropriate. Clydesdale if you really want bullet proof. Otherwise I wouldn't downgrade from your Kyseriums. Have you considered that it maybe your Ti frame that is flexy?

patentcad

I've never ridden wheels that were as bombproof as Kysirium ES's or SL's. Or as hard to spell right.

Grasschopper

Well the MG wheels would be great...but why the DT swiss spokes? His standard build with the Wheelsmith spokes is great.

ctimrun

I made a mistake on this one. I have looked at so many different wheelsets that I don't know whether I am coming or going......

I originally wanted to get Record hubs (I like the new black ones) and open pro rims, but I thought I read somewhere that because of the offset of the rear wheel with Campy that the open pros are not a good idea. Of course I can't seem to remember or find where I read that (probably one of the wheelbuilders websites).

Don't the open pros also have the reputation for making strange noises, such as ticking or creaking. Mine would and I spoke to another rider who had the same wheels and he said that was normal, but this was a few years ago???

blandin

I have a set of wheels built on Am Classic hubs with DT Swiss R1.1 rims laced 28 2X on the front and 32 3X on the rear drive and 2X on the non-drive. The front spokes are DT Swiss Revolutions and the rear uses Revolutions on the non-drive and DT Swiss Competitions on the drive side. They are rock solid, don't flex and weigh in at 1470 grams.

dragonflybikes

If you want bomb proof wheels and are not worried about weight then try the Velocity Spartacus wheels. They are paired spoke, and aero, but not light. I somehow broke a poke on a ride halfway thru and rode the remaining 30 miles home that way and the wheel was still basically true. That is what I call bomb proof. By the way, they are not expensive either so you can put that extra money to some light but not bullet proof wheels for racing.

CrimsonKarter21

Aren't Lightweight's bulletproof? They've got that kevlar in them and all. Look into those.

clausen

I've put a few thousand KM on my open pros/chorus/DT revolution with no issues. I never heard any of the clicking noise and would suspect it's a spoke tension issue.

urbanknight

Your memory of the offset issue relates to any rim that doesn't have an offset spokebed, but it's really not as bad as people make it seem. I think a set of 32h 3x Open Pros will be stronger than a Ritchey or Velocity OCR rim any day. I heard some complaints about the DT 1.1 rims going out of true often, so I'm going to say +1 to the Record/Open Pro suggestions.

soze

Personally I went for cyclocross rims for bombproofedness, but I think pairing Salsa Delgados with Campy Record might be considered a little OCP gauche.

DrPete 

I can't help but think that the folks who complain about "excessive flex" in those wheels need to review bearing adjustment, skewer tightening, and tire inflation. I ended up with Fulcrums on my bike, but the Ksyriums were anything but "flexy" from the test riding I did.

AnthonyG

Have you seen Peter White's website on wheel building? See, https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/wheels.asp

The issue of Campagnolo rear hub offset is going to apply equaly to all Campagnolo compatible hubs. Not just the Campagnolo specific hubs. Go with Campagnolo hubs, Velocity Aerohead offset rear rim, 32 spoke 3 cross Wheelsmith spokes and that will be as bullet proof as you are going to get and a nice set of wheels too.

Regards, Anthony

roadwarrior

Yeah, me either....in fact, I know two guys that have two full seasons of cyclocross on SL's and have never touched a spoke. I've got about 38,000 miles on a set (four years of use) and broke one spoke, total.

Bullet proof is not a strong enough word..bomb proof might be better.

roadwarrior

Thanks for the chuckle.

80vette

"Mike Garcias combo with his speedcific hubs, DT RR1.1 32 rims, and DT spokes."
They work for me but I am 170 lbs. Call Mike and ask him... .he loves to talk.

caloso

Not that I know of. I have two sets of OPs, one with Ultegra hubs and one with Centaur hubs. Both are smooth and silent. A buddy of mine has OPs with a older DA hubs, same thing: supersmooth and reliable.

botto 

too true.