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why are DT Swiss RR1.2 rims so expensive?

Old 01-26-07, 10:07 PM
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why are DT Swiss RR1.2 rims so expensive?

why are DT Swiss RR1.2 rims so expensive? They're a little over a 100g heavier than the RR1.1. Also, anyone know anything about the IRD Cadence Niobium rims, they come in at 390g which seems pretty light. I just bought myself "The Bicycle Wheel" so I'm going to attempt a wheel build this winter. Looking to make a light wheelset with campy hubs that would be comparable to my Mavic Ksyrium SL's

Wheel building is the only thing I don't know how to do mechanically when it comes to bikes, so I figured I mind as well learn how to do it.
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Probably cause it's a deeper rim, thinner section, slightly more material, harder to push out of the die. Just my guess, the 1.2's the deep ones right?
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Originally Posted by slvoid
Probably cause it's a deeper rim, thinner section, slightly more material, harder to push out of the die. Just my guess, the 1.2's the deep ones right?
yes, they are, they're like $25 more per rim as well
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Thinner walls mean less room for error in the core of the die, so more $$.

I actually really like the look of the r1850's.
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Name brand. Period.
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More expensive than what? Theyre the same price as the 1.1s a lot of places or just a couple dollars more. I bought 2 from AirBomb for $61.00ea.
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Haven't built up any of these, have you?

The RR 1.1s are significantly stronger than the vaunted Open Pro, slightly more aero, and much rounder and truer as well.

The 1.2s are quite a bit heavier, and I don't know why you'd spec them unless you were doing a low spoke count time trial, track or cross wheel. Otherwise the 1.1s are fine, and in the single eyelet version, only 415g.

If you build your wheels to last, they are so totally worth the extra bread.
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my 1.1's that i built using revolution spokes and 240 hubs came out perfect. real light too.
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Originally Posted by mx_599
my 1.1's that i built using revolution spokes and 240 hubs came out perfect. real light too.
this is exactly what i was thinking of getting. what do you have for spokes? i can get a new set off ebay
that has 28 in the front and 32 in the rear. i dunno wtf the difference is though...

btw, im like 5'11, 150 pounds

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I bought a 1.2 for about the same price as a 1.1, and cheaper than an Open Pro.

I like my 1.2 coz it's a stiff as bricks and looks COOOOOOOL!!

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Originally Posted by onkey
this is exactly what i was thinking of getting. what do you have for spokes? i can get a new set off ebay
that has 28 in the front and 32 in the rear. i dunno wtf the difference is though...

btw, im like 5'11, 150 pounds

thanks for the help
How much did this combination cost?

Would it work for a 200 lb rider? If not, what would I need to change?

I have read this thread and looked at the DT Swiss USA website and still don't know the answers.

What is the difference between the 1.1 single & 1.1 double? The only thing I can tell from the website is the weight difference referenced. It only mentions single eyelet on the website for the 1.1's.

I am still not clear on the difference between the 1.1 & 1.2 either.

There don't seem to be many retail dealers. Is this true or do I need to call around my LBS's and inquire?

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Originally Posted by BikeWise1
Haven't built up any of these, have you?

If you build your wheels to last, they are so totally worth the extra bread.
1.1's over the Open Pros? 1.2's over the 1.1's? Please clarify. Thanks.
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the 1.2 is 30.7mm deep, and the 1.1 is shallower: 21.2mm deep

https://www.dtswiss.com/index.asp?fus...ikedetail&id=8

the deep 1.2 has not eyelets or sleeves, but the 1.1 does.

I've just spotted some mistakes on a couple of the DT PDFs which has confused me in the past . The PDF of the 1.2 says it only comes on 28 and 32, but the first 1.2 page says it's available in 20, 24, 28 and 32 hole. And another PDF says the 1.2 is 510g, but elsewhere it says it's 580g, which is what they are

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Originally Posted by BikeWise1
Haven't built up any of these, have you?

The RR 1.1s are significantly stronger than the vaunted Open Pro, slightly more aero, and much rounder and truer as well.

The 1.2s are quite a bit heavier, and I don't know why you'd spec them unless you were doing a low spoke count time trial, track or cross wheel. Otherwise the 1.1s are fine, and in the single eyelet version, only 415g.

If you build your wheels to last, they are so totally worth the extra bread.
And in comparison to the Velocity Deep V?
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I'm not privy to the manufacturing nuances, but I'd say, apart from the stickers, the 1.2 and Deep V are identical!

Same weight, same depth (maybe 0.7mm difference), both 'un-eyeleted' and seem to me to be just as stiff and strong.
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Originally Posted by CrimsonKarter21
And in comparison to the Velocity Deep V?
Deep V is fine, but not without issues. The stiffer you make a rim, the straighter and rounder it needs to be. Otherwise, you'll never get the spoke tension even, which is what keeps everything straight and round in use. Deep Vs, while strong, always seem to have a little wiggle near the joint. Some picky guys don't want that so I'm glad DT now offers the 1.2.

And yes, I prefer, for several reasons, the 1.1 (single eyelet fine, unless you're doing fewer than 28 spokes) over the Open Pro. They are truer, don't develop creaks, and aren't everywhere. As a custom builder, I don't like my customers to have to explain to their buddies why they didn't just get their ubiquitous Ult/OP combo from the cheapest place. The DTs set them apart, and personally I think they look a helluva alot better!
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Originally Posted by mx_599
my 1.1's that i built using revolution spokes and 240 hubs came out perfect. real light too.
Cool. I built a set up with some 28h DA hubs I had laying around, and they weighed 1578 with skewers! Pretty good for a non-crazylight-hub. I love DT Swiss hubs, though. Best freehub design EVA.
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