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Why Cannot We ?!!!

Quote, from "The New York Times" today 3/8/07 World Briefing section

Paris , City of Bikes
"By the end of the year, Paris hopes to have 20,600 bicycles available as low-cost rentals for residents and tourists. They are to be available at 1,000 pick up points around the city in an effort to ease traffic congestion, according to City Hall. The bikes may be rented on any day or night and returned to any station. Bike-for-hire networks have already been set-up in Lyon, Brussels, Oslo and Stockholm." Unquote

What about OUR cities ?!

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Won't work in the US. Many people in the US would rent them and seriously abuse them, or they would spray paint the frame and keep it for themselves. Or too many people would rent the bikes, injure themselves then sue the company (or the government agency) that rents out the bikes.

A program like that would go bankrupt in a year in the US.

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Seattle (Portland, OR?) has a loaner program called "Yellow Bike." All the bikes are yellow and can be used by anyone, anytime, anywhere but can't be locked or transported on cars.
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Palo Alto had a similar program.
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Originally Posted by DieselDan
Seattle (Portland, OR?) has a loaner program called "Yellow Bike." All the bikes are yellow and can be used by anyone, anytime, anywhere but can't be locked or transported on cars.
my hometown (oceanside, ca.) is tinkering with that same program right now. plus, there is a bike rental place right down by the beach. just don't go down there expecting to rent yourself a LOOK 595 and you won't leave disappointed.
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Toronto has a similar bike rental program except you pay an annual fee and can rent the bikes for a few bucks. Nowhere near a 1,000 pickup/dropoff places and the bikes are all recycled bikes painted yellow. Also, I hear the program is underfunded and may not be around much longer.
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Originally Posted by DieselDan
Seattle (Portland, OR?) has a loaner program called "Yellow Bike." All the bikes are yellow and can be used by anyone, anytime, anywhere but can't be locked or transported on cars.
Originally Posted by astrodaimler
Palo Alto had a similar program.
Wow, I guess we Americans can actually have enough decency to make a great program like this work! I think watching too much news has made me overly cynical.
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Philly has a program like this... apparently you just need a set of bolt cutters and you don't even have to return the bike. It's worked well for lots of people for years.
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http://www.ramwheels.colostate.edu/

Much smaller scale, but we have a loaner bike program here at CSU. One of my friends runs it and I do a lot of the wrenching for it. Only 12 bikes or so, but the program is new and many more bikes should be coming soon.
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I spent a week in Paris several years ago. It was November but the weather was pretty mild by PA standards and did not see ONE person riding a bicycle! The streets were clogged with cars however. It's a big city and pretty flat so it might work.
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Originally Posted by Sprocket Man
Won't work in the US. Many people in the US would rent them and seriously abuse them, or they would spray paint the frame and keep it for themselves. Or too many people would rent the bikes, injure themselves then sue the company (or the government agency) that rents out the bikes.

A program like that would go bankrupt in a year in the US.
You guys have never been to France, huh?

All those problems will be much worse over there - you can expect those bikes to get stolen immediately.
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americans are too lazy to actually use those bikes. besides, how would women put on their makeup while riding a bike?
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Originally Posted by rooftest
You guys have never been to France, huh?

All those problems will be much worse over there - you can expect those bikes to get stolen immediately.
Exactly. It's the same everywhere.

It's just a matter of time. Eventually a city gets tired of throwing money at bikes that get stolen and
ruined.

Anyway "Hopes to have" does not mean "has". It actually means nothing.
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Originally Posted by DieselDan
Seattle (Portland, OR?) has a loaner program called "Yellow Bike." All the bikes are yellow and can be used by anyone, anytime, anywhere but can't be locked or transported on cars.
Gainesville had a "yellow bike" program back in the 90s. All the bikes were stolen within six months and the program was cancelled.

Dumbarses.
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Originally Posted by rooftest
You guys have never been to France, huh?

All those problems will be much worse over there - you can expect those bikes to get stolen immediately.

I've been to France and a few other places in Europe. If it's implemented similarly to Vienna's scheme then it should work. The bikes they use aren't really desirable enough to steal anyway.
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I'm going to Paris next month. I'll have to let you know about the bike riding for sure Boyfriend and I plan on renting bikes for day and riding. Should be tons of fun.
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Originally Posted by Bobby Lex
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Of course not. They are tools. The problem is that they are often the wrong tool for the job, especially if that job is moving people efficiently in cities. In cities, especially older (read dense) ones, cars are slow, expensive, and dirty.

We can go to the car free (which I'm not) forum to discuss the impact on our health, environment, foreign policy, etc.

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What about OUR cities ?!
The biggest reason that this wouldn't work well in the U.S. is that 95% of all development since the 1930s has been designed around the automobile. The reason that people use the automobile to navigate our built environment is that's what it was built for.

If you want to encourage bicycle use, public transportation, etc, design buildings, roadways, neighborhoods, cities etc that are meant to be used that way and think about how we cna modify existing ones to facilitate this.

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I'm going to Paris next month. I'll have to let you know about the bike riding for sure Boyfriend and I plan on renting bikes for day and riding. Should be tons of fun.

Not long now eh?
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Not long now eh?
We are only going for a week and his mother has tons of stuff planned for us, so not sure how much time we will have for riding bikes?? Either way it will be fun.
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no, but they are not being used properly.

Berlin has rental bikes with a self-locking system on them. You free the lock by swiping a card you can buy, then use the bike and just leave it.

North America can't even implement bike lanes properly. The culture is way too car-centric, and most people define who they are to society by the car they lease.
 
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Originally Posted by Sprocket Man
Won't work in the US. Many people in the US would rent them and seriously abuse them, or they would spray paint the frame and keep it for themselves. Or too many people would rent the bikes, injure themselves then sue the company (or the government agency) that rents out the bikes.

A program like that would go bankrupt in a year in the US.
This is what has and will happen in Europe, too.
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no, but they are not being used properly.

Berlin has rental bikes with a self-locking system on them. You free the lock by swiping a card you can buy, then use the bike and just leave it.

North America can't even implement bike lanes properly. The culture is way too car-centric, and most people define who they are to society by the car they lease.
Or, IIRC, you just call a telephone number (with your mobile) and you get sms'd a code to undo the lock.

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Or, IIRC, you just call a telephone number (with your mobile) and you get sms'd a code to undo the lock.

I rode one of these last fall, damned heavy, but Berlin is very flat.
 

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