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Floyd's sample might actually belong to a diff. rider!

Old 03-15-07, 02:19 PM
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Floyd's sample might actually belong to a diff. rider!

What the heck. Every day is a new piece in the mess that is the french testing lab.

https://www.bikebiz.com/news/26138/Whose-wee-was-it

Baker has previously demonstrated that the French doping lab had provided "mislabelled" urine samples. It now turns out the "typos" on the urine samples aren't random mistakes, the numbers match another rider tested at the Tour de France.
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If it's true that the numbers match another rider that's just F****d. But even with that Floyd will never clear his name, and I bet we'll never find the identity of the other rider.
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Wow, that's a bombshell. I hope Floyd was clean and I hope he's cleared.
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The sample likely belongs to Cypress.
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If it was cypress's you would think he wouldn't look pissed in every photo he posts.
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Originally Posted by CCFISH81
The sample likely belongs to Cypress.
margins are too small.
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Dr. Baker is a serious sort of fella. He is someone that can be trusted. If he says the $%^& French lab likely blamed an American champion for the failed results of another rider....well, I'd take his word over those $%^s at WADA and those clowns in Paris.
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Wow, between this and Puerto, this is the absolute worst outcome. Create doubt about the sport and its riders and never offer proof/corrupt whatever proof might have been in hand.

If I may paraphrase Chris Cooper in Bourne Identity, 'great, just great, what's the French word for clowns?'

If this is true, I gotta think Floyd is looking at a serious countersuit, they cost him a LOT of money . . . ?
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The more the OP posts about this, the more I hope Flandis is guilty.
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Originally Posted by voltman
The more the OP posts about this, the more I hope Flandis is guilty.
incorrect thinking.
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Interesting, because initially, Floyd wasn't gonna use the "other guy's urine" defense. He was just gonna contend that the misnumbering was an indication of a botched job.
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If you look at the documents from wada one of the first concerns voiced was that the document labeling the urine sample had another rider's id number, then it was scratched out and floyd's number written in. No date, no intials for who made the change, violating wada's own procedures and raising doubt as to who's sample it really is. Of course the lab later goes on to **** things up anyways getting a 300% difference in test results rendering the sample void.... unlike OJ the glove really doesn't fit here folk's.

I can't wait for floyd's book to come out.
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Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
Dr. Baker is a serious sort of fella. He is someone that can be trusted. If he says the $%^& French lab likely blamed an American champion for the failed results of another rider....well, I'd take his word over those $%^s at WADA and those clowns in Paris.
Do you know the doc, or is your statement solely based on the fact that he is American?
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Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
Dr. Baker is a serious sort of fella. He is someone that can be trusted.
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Dr Arnie Baker is a friend and staunch defender of Tour de France winner Floyd Landis.
If there ever is anything resembling a court case, he'll be instantly discredited as having been a long-time friend. He'll need more/better evidence than that.
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Originally Posted by 1slowbastard
Do you know the doc, or is your statement solely based on the fact that he is American?
As long as he disagrees with the French, it's all good in the land of ABH.
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Originally Posted by voltman
The more the OP posts about this, the more I hope Flandis is guilty.
Why is that?
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Originally Posted by DrPete
If there ever is anything resembling a court case, he'll be instantly discredited as having been a long-time friend. He'll need more/better evidence than that.
Sort of. He'd be discredited as an "expert witness," but any findings of fact in the documents, like a number that matches another rider, would still be allowed.
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Originally Posted by donrhummy
Sort of. He'd be discredited as an "expert witness," but any findings of fact in the documents, like a number that matches another rider, would still be allowed.
Yeah, that's true. I was thinking more about his credibility as a witness.
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I understand that Floyd's team has found a number of labelling and testing procedural issues, not to mention the leaking of the test result. I find it hard to believe that the UCI and drug testing authorities don't run a tighter ship, and secondly that where their procedures fall short of the highest standards, the charges are not automatically dropped.

Let's not forget that a person's reputation and livelihood are at stake. In a similar criminal case such as drink driving, theft or a speeding charge, this sort of procedural cock-up is simply not acceptable. If the police do not maintain correct chain of custody procedures on samples, make mistakes in the calibration of their instruments, or do not follow correct speed measurement procedures the whole case is always dropped, since the police know that the defence team will rip them apart.

Similarly police officers and officers of the court never speak about ongoing trials, in contrast to the posturings of Dick Pound and other officials.

I belive strongly that the highest standards must be applied to drug testing in sport, as there is no other way to gain public confidence and take fair decisions which affect real people.
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^^^Bonus points for the use of "Dick Pound" and "cock-up" in the same post.
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In floyd's interview over on Velonews, he made a good point.

They wrote the rules, that's why they always win.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
^^^Bonus points for the use of "Dick Pound" and "cock-up" in the same post.
...Any bonus points for the use of "leaking" and urine test in the same post?

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They all need to get on with this, shut up and admit that...
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Once he is finally cleared, he should sue. He's lost a ton of money and spent a ton of money. Plus, he won't defend his title for 2007. Let's not even think about the Puerto implications to the other riders.
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