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Phantoj 03-29-07 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by jemoryl
So if I had a carbon frame and the seat stays were fastened on by screws instead of glue that would be proof of its superiority?

Are the seat stays being peeled off in tension? Is the interface between the stay the rest of the frame just a flat plate, or is there a lug the stay fits into so that the adhesive is loaded in shear?


My experience has been that the heel cup eventually separated from the sole in the cheap shoes I've had. On the Sidis, the heel cup seems to be screwed onto the sole to prevent that from happening. A shoe is "better" to me if it appears its designers have solved the fault that caused the "lesser" shoe to wear out.

jemoryl 03-29-07 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by Phantoj
Are the seat stays being peeled off in tension? Is the interface between the stay the rest of the frame just a flat plate, or is there a lug the stay fits into so that the adhesive is loaded in shear?


My experience has been that the heel cup eventually separated from the sole in the cheap shoes I've had. On the Sidis, the heel cup seems to be screwed onto the sole to prevent that from happening. A shoe is "better" to me if it appears its designers have solved the fault that caused the "lesser" shoe to wear out.

And what I'm saying is if the heel cup does not separate from the sole the manufacturer has used an appropriate method, screw, glue or staples, I don't really care. Just like my criticism of the original post, you can't simply compare how the shoes look to judge which will be a better shoe. What if the screws were apt to pull out in use? Would that be intrinsically better than a strong adhesive, properly applied?

Phantoj 03-29-07 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by jemoryl
And what I'm saying is if the heel cup does not separate from the sole the manufacturer has used an appropriate method, screw, glue or staples, I don't really care. Just like my criticism of the original post, you can't simply compare how the shoes look to judge which will be a better shoe. What if the screws were apt to pull out in use? Would that be intrinsically better than a strong adhesive, properly applied?

Good point, but this "if" has not been true in my experience. In my experience, cheap shoes failed at this location, and Sidis have not. Everybody raves about Sidi durability, and my experience is that they are durable.

MIN 03-29-07 01:53 PM

How long should my new Sidi's last? Where does the wear occur?

Psimet2001 03-29-07 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by MIN
How long should my new Sidi's last? Where does the wear occur?

Longer than you will ever expect them to...and I typically wear mine on my feet.

A good pair can last 5-15 years. Roughly. Mine shoes wear on the sole (middle and toe) - heel is replaceable (once a season for me) and on the buckle and velcro closures.

MIN 03-29-07 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Psimet2001
Longer than you will ever expect them to...and I typically wear mine on my feet.

A good pair can last 5-15 years. Roughly. Mine shoes wear on the sole (middle and toe) - heel is replaceable (once a season for me) and on the buckle and velcro closures.



I have the Dominator 5s, I'm not sure the MTB shoes are as "modular." The sole doesn't appear to be replacable.

Psimet2001 03-29-07 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by MIN
I have the Dominator 5s, I'm not sure the MTB shoes are as "modular." The sole doesn't appear to be replacable.

The Dominators are built on the same platform as the Genius. The treads, and heel pad on the sole are replaceable. I believe that they also have multiple options for different treads as well...don't quote me on that though....

rha600 03-29-07 03:05 PM

how are you all wearing the sole out? do you walk around in them that much? I put mine on right before I hop on the bike and take them off right after. I walk maybe 20 ft total each day.

Psimet2001 03-29-07 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by rha600
how are you all wearing the sole out? do you walk around in them that much? I put mine on right before I hop on the bike and take them off right after. I walk maybe 20 ft total each day.

Soles wear though stops and starts. It depends on how you push off at starts (me I us my toe). Sometimes I miss a clip-in at a start and just pedal through the intersection using the arch of my foot....scrapes it up well....then again....as I mentioned in another SIDI thread....who cares. Its the sole, and mostly it is all superficial. After 2 years on my current pair there is nothing even worth mentioning in terms of critical wear.

rha600 03-29-07 03:26 PM

I'm looking to buy a pair in the next month or so. right now I have a pair of diadora mtb shoes (probably 4 years old) and they are just not much good on the road bike. I have sidi motocross boots and love them so I figured I'd stick with them for the bike too. I was going to go with road bike shoes but I'd rather keep the SPD so I think I'm going to buy the dominator 6 or the dragon 2. I have to find a palce that sells them locally so I can try them.

Psimet2001 03-29-07 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by rha600
I'm looking to buy a pair in the next month or so. right now I have a pair of diadora mtb shoes (probably 4 years old) and they are just not much good on the road bike. I have sidi motocross boots and love them so I figured I'd stick with them for the bike too. I was going to go with road bike shoes but I'd rather keep the SPD so I think I'm going to buy the dominator 6 or the dragon 2. I have to find a palce that sells them locally so I can try them.

BTW - don't know if it will make a differenc to you or not, but you can mount an SPD cleat to a Genius road shoe as well...you just lose the recessed nature that the Dominator would give you, but you gain the flexibility to change to other road based pedal systems and still have your shoes work.

rha600 03-29-07 03:37 PM

really? I did see an accessory that looked like it adapted the road shoes to SPD but the SIDI web site doesn't give a whole lot of info. there's not even a section for specs on the shoes. That is something I might look into though, thank you! I would like to try the carbon shoes.

bellweatherman 03-30-07 12:30 AM


Originally Posted by mrfish
Just to put the opposing view: My feet hated the Sidis I had. They had gimmicky plastic buckles and ratchets that gave tight spots and irritated the bones at the top of my feet, and the soles were bendy and frankly ten years behind the competion. I would also comment that the Sidis in the picture need the thickly padded tongue to avoid this - in my view it's better to engineer out the root cause rather than pad it out. Back in the mid 1990s Robert Millar started the argument that some shoe sole flex is needed for comfort. Nowadays we all know that people ride shoes you can't bend when trying. Basically Sidi's comfort flex argument is rubbish IMO, the only angle here that there's no point in overbuilding the shoe as the extra weight isn't worthwhile. Only point in my Sidi's favour was that they were a cool colour and never wore out despite 3 years of living with them.

My feet are low-height and normal width, but have a long 3rd toe which doesn't like touching the end of the shoe. A quick review of 2 favourites:

My old Shimano R212 shoes will either cocoon or totally lock down my feet and have stiff soles with a medium curve that flexes the foot a little and helps hold it in place. They totally bust the notion that plastic buckles are needed as velcro stretches. These do not. Underneath their aero shoe covers you will find most of the UK sprinters putting 2000 watts through these. After 6 of 7 years of regular wear in all weathers plus some commuting I just haven't been able to wear these out. They are totally bombproof.

However in hot weather my 3rd toe touched, so I also got some egg-shaped Carnac heliums to fit my egg-shaped feet. The sole is less curvy than a shimano but with a BG insole and wedge there is almost no movement, even with the straps only loose.

==> Basically your feet call the shots - whether the Adidas shoes are better / worse than Sidis or not depends on your feet and how they fit your feet, not whether the soles look curved / flat whether the toes are egg-shaped or not.



Couldn't have said it better myself. What a biased review. I don't like Sidi shoes because they are not a good fit for me. This doesn't mean that they are not good shoes. It take a real idiot to make a gernal claim like "brand x sucks because it doesn't fit me well..." You could apply this to the topic of this thread and the dude who's making these ridiculous claims. Side shoes are good, so are Adidas. Just because they don't fit the dude who made the post, doesn't mean that the shoes suck.

kk4df 04-08-07 03:46 AM


Originally Posted by MIN
Ok - how consistant of a fit with US men's shoe sizing is a Sidi? I wear 10.5 mens (civilian shoes) normally and I just bought 43 Sidis (nominally US 9 or so.) I can't decide if that is too tight of a fit. I have room some room in the toes but it's a bit narrow. Does it stretch or should I return it for a 44?

I wear 9.5 mens shoes, and use 44 Sidis. I tried 43.5 as well, which were not uncomfortable in the store, but might have been a tad snug in the toes.

mrbubbles 05-15-07 07:42 PM

Can I request a photo of the Sidi's sole without the cleat if it's not too much trouble? Thanks

Dick Rhee 05-15-07 07:56 PM

SIDI's are great shoes, I just wish to hell that I could fit in them. I have a pair of Rocket7's on order, and should receive them any day now. Because their headquarters are about 40 mins south of me, I was able to go down and try on their sizes of varying widths and we were able to find a pair that fits like a glove (which, with my oddly shaped flat, overpronating feet, is insane).

Anyhow, I realize this is an older thread, but nice shoes Cypress.

ultraman6970 08-19-07 09:34 AM

HI....

Adidas vs sidi... After years using roomy's Time equipe shoes try sidis is just like non sense at least for me. After years I change to carnac quartz, same quality shoe than the old time equipe... At least they fit me well. Yesterday I went to a store to try the adidas adistar ultra's... roomy shoe... the nice about adidas is that they run in 1/4's of sizes so u have to fine the right size for you. I have no idea how they perform riding them in the bike but my 1st impresion was quite nice and rommy toe box. I have to admint the finishings in the shoes arent that great but are better than before.

Regarding sidis, i dont think its a bad shoe but is the same shoe I tried 20 + years ago but with insoles today (no clue about the extra wide oens and the super high end ones). I tried my 1st pair 20 years ago, the black ones with yellow that fignon used to use, just when velcro and straps in the shoes was starting to get into the market. Back in the day I swtiched to Time equipe, back in the day the look shoes were very good also and Carnac had a very wide and commfy shoe also.

Get the shoe fits u better, but sometimes people do not know any better, besides all depends of what the store is pushing at that momment also. Anybody have xperience with the new carnacs? they runs wide as the old ones or they screwed up changing the shape of the shoe??

Have a nice day...

UM

alancw3 08-19-07 09:44 AM

sidi's are best period! all others pale n comparison. sometimes there is just a superior product and in this case that is sidi. that being said, i would only go for the genius series of shoes.

JayC 08-19-07 10:40 AM

http://meankidsracing.com/d/2113-1/026.JPG

I never get tired of posting pictures of these shoes :)

TechJunkie 08-19-07 11:30 AM

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/b...m/SIDIs003.jpg

I think someone may have touched on it, but the soles on mine are almost entirely modular/rebuildable, and still come in under 600 grams for the pair.

mrbubbles 08-19-07 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by TechJunkie (Post 5101398)

Why is your heel tab so clean?

wolfpack 08-19-07 12:02 PM

i had been wearing specialized pro carbon road shoes prior to getting my new Sidi 6.6's. i wore these shoes for the fist time yesterday on a 64mi group ride. they felt WONDERFUL! no hot spots either:
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f7...923800x600.jpg

Psimet2001 08-19-07 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by mrbubbles (Post 5101515)
Why is your heel tab so clean?

I'm guessing he just replaced them....which has me thinking...might be time to replace mine. Good thing I keep a few new sets around the house just in case.

SIDIs rock.

TechJunkie 08-19-07 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by mrbubbles (Post 5101515)
Why is your heel tab so clean?

Cuz they only have 3 rides on them. $10 bucks for a new pair though- ain't bad. Most shoes are just ****ed when you wear the heal or strip a cleat mount out.

aham23 08-20-07 06:29 AM

these picks got me thinking; can i rock white shoes? they sure are pretty :). later.


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