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Fit of a Sidi...

Old 03-27-07, 11:14 AM
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Fit of a Sidi...

Ok, I think I need some new shoes...Wait, I know I need some new shoes and I want carbon, but what kind to get...That is the question. One thing I do know is that my feet do not work in Specialized shoes. I love the feel of their carbon sole, but the uppers have to much volume for my feet. Sidi's uppers fit just right, but the curvy sole doesn't really work with my arches. Anyway of combining the Sidi upper, with the Specialized sole

Seriously though, who makes a lower volume shoe with a fairly flat sole. My feet aren't super narrow, but the vertical volume is the problem. The Specialize shoe was a perfect example. The heel was just a tad to deep for my foot and the sides dug into my ankle bones.

I know I need to hit the bike shops, but I'd like to limit my choices if possible....

And lastly, Do the Sidi carbon soled shoes have that same curvy feel to them?? (Honestly I want some Sidi's, but only if they are comfortable and work)

Thanks,
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Old 03-27-07, 11:18 AM
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I know specialized do sell insoles which match the same sole as their shoes (it has that funny bump in the middle)
http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCEqP...jsp?spid=26339
You could always put one of those into a sidi shoe. The sole of the specialized into the fit of the sidi.

I know other people have done the same. Anybody who's done this care to chime in?
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Originally Posted by NuckingFuts
I know specialized do sell insoles which match the same sole as their shoes (it has that funny bump in the middle)
http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCEqP...jsp?spid=26339
You could always put one of those into a sidi shoe. The sole of the specialized into the fit of the sidi.

I know other people have done the same. Anybody who's done this care to chime in?
Oh yea, I've done that and the curvature of the Sidi sole comes through. Still feels like a bar across my arch and it feels like it's a bit too far forward too. Besides the archy curvy sole of the Sidi everything else feels great.
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perhaps give DMT shoes a look, I have a pair of Ultimax Carbon, and similar to you I have a very low volume foot.
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Should also have a look at the Shimano SH-R300, they can be heated and the upper moulded to the foot if required (requires store to have the special vaccum pump), toe box is not too high, also slight upward curvature of the sole helps the foot angle (my opinion).
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Originally Posted by rbart4506
Ok, I think I need some new shoes...Wait, I know I need some new shoes and I want carbon, but what kind to get...That is the question. One thing I do know is that my feet do not work in Specialized shoes. I love the feel of their carbon sole, but the uppers have to much volume for my feet. Sidi's uppers fit just right, but the curvy sole doesn't really work with my arches. Anyway of combining the Sidi upper, with the Specialized sole

Seriously though, who makes a lower volume shoe with a fairly flat sole. My feet aren't super narrow, but the vertical volume is the problem. The Specialize shoe was a perfect example. The heel was just a tad to deep for my foot and the sides dug into my ankle bones.

I know I need to hit the bike shops, but I'd like to limit my choices if possible....

And lastly, Do the Sidi carbon soled shoes have that same curvy feel to them?? (Honestly I want some Sidi's, but only if they are comfortable and work)

Thanks,
Rich
That's the reason I picked the Specialized over the Sidi. I looked for what you want and couldn't find it. Maybe you'll do better. Good luck

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Originally Posted by rbart4506
Ok, I think I need some new shoes...Wait, I know I need some new shoes and I want carbon, but what kind to get...That is the question. One thing I do know is that my feet do not work in Specialized shoes. I love the feel of their carbon sole, but the uppers have to much volume for my feet. Sidi's uppers fit just right, but the curvy sole doesn't really work with my arches. Anyway of combining the Sidi upper, with the Specialized sole

Seriously though, who makes a lower volume shoe with a fairly flat sole. My feet aren't super narrow, but the vertical volume is the problem. The Specialize shoe was a perfect example. The heel was just a tad to deep for my foot and the sides dug into my ankle bones.

I know I need to hit the bike shops, but I'd like to limit my choices if possible....

And lastly, Do the Sidi carbon soled shoes have that same curvy feel to them?? (Honestly I want some Sidi's, but only if they are comfortable and work)

Thanks,
Rich
I had the same issue. Don't believe there is a perfect shoe out there other then custom and many have buyer's remorse about them as well. I have a long narrow foot with little arch and had the same conflict with Sidi's. Because of width sizing, Sidi's last fits me perfect...however I felt arch pain in the middle of my foot. Honestly having owned a lot of shoes, it kind of irks me that Sidi would sell shoes with such a raised arch. I don't have a particularly low arch...would say it is close to nominal or average. Other shoe makers do this....but its about 50/50...J&M dress shoes are like this...but conversely Niki and NB basketball shoes have a very modest arch and fit my foot perfectly. Your recourse? If you have a design background like me...you realize if want just the right fit, you have to create it. Dremmel the center of the hot glued in place insole...the rubberized part under the removal insole insert. I have done this on a lot of shoes. It takes a bit of trial and error...mark the area of the shoe that is high in the middle section and take it down. You want to create a shoe floor that emulates your foot. This does not disparage the life of the shoe. Cleat shoe plate covering...also removable for backing plate access...is unaffected. The bottom sole of the shoe is its structure. The Sidi Genius 5's I have now fit perfectly and I love them. I can't find a better shoe as I like Sidi shoe design the best...best construction and closure...great durability.
They do run short however. Be sure to order them .5-1.0 mondo size larger then what your foot measures.
The guy who designed the shape of the insole is an idiot (actually the engineering team that approved it) but that OK. I wouldn't pony up for carbon but to each his/her own....small value added IMHO.
Whether its ski boots, or a motorcycle helmet with a hot spot, some times a bit of surgery will dial it right in if you are particular. Some just live with the pain and wonder why...lol.
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Diadora. Very comfortable shoe. If you like a toe box that's a bit wider, they are great. Pro Race Carbon would be the sole with the carbon insert. I've been using them for three years and really like them.
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I feel for you about the "bar" feeling of the arch support. What I did was that I got a pair of heel cups from the shoe store and placed them in my shoes.

I'm gellin' now baby!

Seriously, getting some heel cups may solve the problem. They'll lift your heel up slightly and reduce the height that you feel from the arch supports.
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I noticed the forward arch when first trying on my Genius 5 but, frankly, I haven't noticed it since.
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Originally Posted by allezsport
perhaps give DMT shoes a look, I have a pair of Ultimax Carbon, and similar to you I have a very low volume foot.
I have DMTs and like them too. I also have Sidis and they are also fine fitting for my size 48 feet.

I think that you need to go to a better shop and just start trying on shoes. Like gloves, all fit differently.
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