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LeMond LeWedge cleat shims?

Old 03-27-07, 07:06 PM
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LeMond LeWedge cleat shims?

Has anyone actually used these? What are you thoughts/opinions on them?
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Old 03-27-07, 07:17 PM
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Excellent worth every last penny. I solved some left knee pain that no amount of adjustment without them could help.
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they can do wonders, often better than an insole.
 
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Excellent worth every last penny. I solved some left knee pain that no amount of adjustment without them could help.
+1

My knees flew out before the wedges and now they don't. You can also use wedges to effectively make your leg longer if one leg is shorter than the other.
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Great product. Saved my knees big time.
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Just got wedges 2 weeks ago. They have already helped relieve a foot roll out and leg length problem. Well worth it to get properly aligned.
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Wow, here I thought this was a snake oil product! I'll have to try it and see if helps the pain I get in my right knee
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Does anyone know if the wedges work for people who get sore knees after long, hard rides but otherwise have "normal" pedal strokes and legs of the same length?
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Solved my problems, but due to other issues switching to BG shims.

The LeWedges correct leg alignment and length issues associated with anatomical differences. They do not correct for a poor fitting. Fairly cheap, so no harm in looking into them. Tamagawa, it doesn't sound like they are for your problem.
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Old 03-27-07, 09:01 PM
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Thanks CastIron. I think my problem stems mainly from going too hard too early in the season. I guess I was hoping I could sidestep the problem with a quick fix instead of steady workouts!
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Wishful thinking indeed. You may still have a minor fitment issue. Wouldn't hurt to consult with a good shop.
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"Wouldn't hurt to consult with a good shop."

Yeah, if the sore knees persist after less-intense training workouts, I'll definitely go to a fitting guru again. (I was actually fitted for a new bike in Feb., and I feel pretty good on my new steed -- maybe my knees are also adjusting to my longer cranks).
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they're also much more durable than I expected.

The thick side of each one is ~1mm, and they taper down to virtually nothing on the non-tapered side,
so they appear to be just a flimsy piece of plastic, but mine have survived 3 years and several cleat changes.
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Originally Posted by tamagawa
Does anyone know if the wedges work for people who get sore knees after long, hard rides but otherwise have "normal" pedal strokes and legs of the same length?
Building on what CastIron mentioned...I found that I still had/have some knee issues when I go out hard during a century. I have to make myself not climb (relative term here in Illinois) in the big ring early on. Going too hard will kill my knee before the end of the ride.

Pain lasts for a day or two after riding. It was much worse before shims....that and my feet would fall asleep before shims as well.

I have found that conciously spinning lower gears early on a long ride helps as well as doing some sort of impact training on off days. Running fills the bill well for me. I can't run for long, but a good 15-20 minutes 1-2 times a week during peak season seems to be enough to keep my knee strengthened to help prevent knee issues on long rides.
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I spent 3 months messing with my cleats to find the perfect position. I would get close, but I'd still have knee pain after an hour on the trainer doing anything more strenuous than a recovery ride.

I got the Lewedges and after a week of further messing around, my knee pain completely disappeared. Not even a slight twinge of pain remains even after my hardest interval workouts.
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I use them as well...do a search, I did a big write up of my expierence a couple of years back.
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The work and they work well. The BG shims work even better IMHO.
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Can help align the knee during the pedal stroke...

Can help misalign the knee during pedal stroke...

Be careful when messing with knee alignment...

It is not a big expense but do not go hard the first few rides with the devices...

Maybe set up a camera to video your pedal stroke from the front with and without the LeWedges to see if the alignment is better...

I wear one shim under the left cleat and two, flip flopped to increased height, on the right...

It took a while to come up with that configuration but it provides the most knee relief...

I will say it again...Be careful...You can screw yourself up just as easily as helping...
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Very interesting. On my last ride, I was getting some pain on the outside of my right knee, I thought it was because my heel was flaring away from the crank arm. A quick check of my street shoes shows heavy wear on the outside on my soles, especially on my right foot, perhaps I need to order some shims.
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Originally Posted by Stoeger
Very interesting. On my last ride, I was getting some pain on the outside of my right knee, I thought it was because my heel was flaring away from the crank arm. A quick check of my street shoes shows heavy wear on the outside on my soles, especially on my right foot, perhaps I need to order some shims.
Wear on the outside of your shoes is normal...You are supposed to heel strike on the lateral side of your heel...

When you see the wear on the outside of your shoe it is time for new shoes and usually not pathological...

Pathological wear would be on the inside of the shoe and suggests severe pronation...

If you were to shim the forefoot in varus it would actually increase the heel tilt way from the crank arm...
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Originally Posted by dekindy
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My knees flew out before the wedges and now they don't. You can also use wedges to effectively make your leg longer if one leg is shorter than the other.
Souza uses Lewedges.

 
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Originally Posted by Hammertoe
Wear on the outside of your shoes is normal...You are supposed to heel strike on the lateral side of your heel...

When you see the wear on the outside of your shoe it is time for new shoes and usually not pathological...

Pathological wear would be on the inside of the shoe and suggests severe pronation...

If you were to shim the forefoot in varus it would actually increase the heel tilt way from the crank arm...
I'll try to explain a little better, on my street shoes, it's the outside of the sole itself, not the heel that is worn down. The wear is all along the right side of my right foot, from the pinky toe all the way down, that seems to be where I'm putting the pressure.

My issue when clipped in (w/ old style Time pedals) is that instead of my right shoe pointing towards 12 o'clock or even 1 o'clock, it was pointing more towards 11 o'clock. That is the foot I use to unclip at lights, I found myself have to turn the shoe more heel in, toe out and it would get better.

Does that make any more sense?
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I used them for 3 years with mixed results. I had problems with slippage
when I was touring.

They are a lot better than nothing, but I am much happier now with different
length cranks. I use a 170 on my long leg, and a 167.5 on my short leg.
The middle of the night cramps are gone, the sore knees are almost gone,
I use less than half the chamois cream I used to, and even my hips feel better.
Quite a bit better actually.
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Originally Posted by Stoeger
I'll try to explain a little better, on my street shoes, it's the outside of the sole itself, not the heel that is worn down. The wear is all along the right side of my right foot, from the pinky toe all the way down, that seems to be where I'm putting the pressure.
When you walk the weight of your foot should be along the outside edge of the foot than cross the ball of the foot and out the great toe...

You may have supination of the foot and you wear the midsoles of shoes faster causing the outside of the shoe to break down. This leads to more pressure and more shoe wear...

No pain walking...Don't worry about it just keep up on new shoes...

Originally Posted by Stoeger
My issue when clipped in (w/ old style Time pedals) is that instead of my right shoe pointing towards 12 o'clock or even 1 o'clock, it was pointing more towards 11 o'clock. That is the foot I use to unclip at lights, I found myself have to turn the shoe more heel in, toe out and it would get better.
We are talking about two different planes...

Wear on the outside of your shoe is frontal plane...

Foot pointing in the 11 o'clock position is transverse plane...

LeWedges correct frontal plane not transverse plane...

11 o'clock is generally not a bad position for the foot to point...I ride in-toed...

But this is a generalization...My position my hurt someone else...

So is your foot position contributing to your knee pain...

If your pedals allow, stop the float so your foot can only intoe to 12 o'clock and see how you feel...

Just typing that hurts my knees but everyone is different....
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Ah...that makes sense. My right foot, for whatever reason, points out when I walk so the more I can get it to do that when I'm clipped in, the better. Yeah, I have issues
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