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Look Delta to Keo problem

Old 03-27-07, 09:07 PM
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Look Delta to Keo problem

Just replaced Look Delta pedals with Keo Sprints. LBS did the pedal install and lowered my saddle 4 to 5 mm per Look's recommendation. I did the cleat replacement, and was very careful to use Look's series of decals to align the Keo's with the Delta's. However on two rides since the swap, I've been experiencing some knee pain and a feeling of pressure on the bottom of my feet. The old Delta's were PP206's, Look's entry level, very wide pedal. Are these symptoms related to the much narrower platform of the Keo's? Or did I somehow screw up the cleat swap despite following Look's instructions very carefully. I'm using the red arc cleats again, just as I did with the Delta's. I did notice the Keo's have seemingly more arc range than the old Delta's, despite using the red arc cleat on both. Are the knee and foot issues related to the greater freedom of movement evident with the Keo's? Any ideas? Thanks
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Is it both feet or just one? Try loosening the screws and sliding the cleat all the way back, and towards the outside of your shoe, and see how that feels compared to your previous setting. 'Might want to mark down your starting point just in case it's worse than before.

Knee pain whether front side or backside might be a saddle height issue. Remeasure, but, yeah, Look says to drop 6mm going from Delta to Keo.
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Old 03-28-07, 08:23 PM
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thanks for the advice. the "pressure" sensation is on the bottom of both feet. I'll try moving the cleats back and out a bit, and hopefully find the old sweet spot. may touch base with the LBS as well for their thoughts. thanks again.
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I might be mistaken but I thought the sticker was to be used when doing a cleat replacement with the same type of cleat, not when converting. You may have a different sticker than the one I have.
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I'll agree that knee pain is likely from a different cleat placement from your former Delta's, not from the change in pedal size.
Did you have the shop install the pedals because you bought them there? Well just to throw this out because you never know - If you haven't already take out the tape measure and check your BB to saddle height to make sure its at your spec (minus a few millimeters for the Keo lower stack height). It could be the shop lost the place of your original saddle height and they just estimated where it had been.
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the LBS changed the saddle height right there in front of me and carefully "measured twice, moved once". tonight's spin on the trainer was not as painful after having moved the cleats back and out a couple millimeters. will likely trying moving them back 1 or 2 more before saturday's ride. definitely felt better tonight, but not quite there yet.
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What shoe are you using?
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Sidi Zetas. about 5yrs old. 3 velcro straps, very basic shoe but super comfortable. fit like a glove. they do use an insert on the sole. the Keo cleats appear to properly match the "arc" of the insert.
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OK, then I stand by my earlier comments. How are your feet doing, btw? And your knees?
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The knees and feet are in pretty good shape after an hour plus ride on the trainer tonight. the right knee and foot have been feeling good for the last 2 rides. the left knee and foot are pretty good, but the left lower leg is a little sore. almost a shin splint type sore, but not a shin splint issue. tonight's cleat tweak, before the ride, was to rotate the left foot (toe end) outward slightly, which helped alleviate the previous sensation of the left leg feeling a bit twisted. i think i'm very close on the adjustments, but admittantly still finding my way a bit. the adjustments i make have been 2mm or less each time. again the right leg feels dialed in at this point, but the left is still not "spot on". thanks again for your advice and comments.
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