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Old 04-17-07, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Phantoj
Big-big on a double is pretty much the same as big cog, middle ring on a triple, right?
Umm. No.

Road double: 53:25 (or whatever)
Compact: 50:25
Triple (middle): 39:25
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
I did! I used a hammer. When it made noise I hit it. That's how that works right?
No no no...you have to use the right tool, for the right job. In this case, a case of Guinness and a dictionary of Spanish curse words.


A hammer only works on spokes and valve stems.
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I tried a compact a few times and just couldn't get used to it. The front shifts were smooth and quick, but I ended up doing four times as much. I suspect that if I had been on the bike a few more times I may have gotten used to it, but my initial impression was not all that good. My guess is that the OP will adjust with time.
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Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo
Hi Blue Jays-

Your overly sensitive reactions to the slightest of criticisms are showing your insecurities. Others have noticed.
Blue Jays' point, though, is well taken. botto essentially dismissed a whole line of discussion with an ad hominem fallacy. I disliked it not because it was personally insulting (yeah, BJ might be a little sensitive), but because it damaged the discussion.

Now, anyone care to speak to his original point?
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I certainly understand what Psimet2001 is saying, I remember when I had my 53/39 double I spend a lot of time in the 39 up to fast speeds, now that I have a 50/34 I find myself doing a lot of shifting trying to find that right gear, I am hoping I will get use to the new setup soon.
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Originally Posted by biker7
Your 50/36 shifts better then any 50/34 by design and the OP is b!tching because his likely isn't adjusted perfectly which is required because he rides a little bike with higher X-chain angles then bigger bikes.
Also...you shouldn't defend a troll like botto to Blue Jays who is a good guy.
Other then that, carry on as usual.


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I don't have any issues when I run the 34 with a 11/26 for the one race a year I need it either.


I would say that you shouldn't defend an overly sensitive and insecure person like Blue Jays. If you and BJ are not able to cope with Botto's harmless ribbing then put him on your ignore list.
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I went back to check the grade on one of the hills that I considered steep on this ride. The following is from www.toporoute.com



Turns out it's around 12% and only about .1 miles long. I was able to climb it no problem with the 34X23, but if it went on for longer I would have wanted to have a bailout.

I'll pick up the cassette from PBK. Anyone know if an FSA ring will shift well on this Campy "ULTRA_DRIVE" setup?
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Psimet. Have you considered going to a triple?

Ignore the ad hominem flames soon to appear.
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Originally Posted by Blue Jays
El Diablo Rojo, thanks for your input.
Just trying to show you that there are two sides to every issue. But I'm sure that you would rather complain to the powers that be rather than deal with any perceived slight slung your way.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Err I swear I posted in this thread...like when there were no other posts.
Funny you should mention it. I could have sworn my first post was early on page 2. Now it's early on page 1. I wonder if some messages were lost in the recent outage.
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Originally Posted by DMF
Funny you should mention it. I could have sworn my first post was early on page 2. Now it's early on page 1. I wonder if some messages were lost in the recent outage.
Or people have either deleted themselves or have been deleted by TPTB.
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Originally Posted by DMF
Psimet. Have you considered going to a triple?

Ignore the ad hominem flames soon to appear.
Yes...in the middle of my nightmares.

No seriously I have no issues with triples, but it's horribly flat around here and I have been riding full size doubles for so long it's pathetic.

I just thought I would try a compact on a rig that I was intending for slower family rides and possible commuting. I haven't thrown it out the window yet, but as the thread title notes I am just disappointed in my perception of the gaps with the current setup.
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
You're a fool.
Let's see jacka$$...here's a line of thought that maybe you can even follow. An idiot like you can't get his Campy compact to shift properly and everybody else who owns one has no issue including me.
Must be a Campy issue.
For a low life like you to criticize Campy with your POS build that you shamelessly posted...is laughable.
How's that stupid?

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Originally Posted by DMF
Umm. No.

Road double: 53:25 (or whatever)
Compact: 50:25
Triple (middle): 39:25
No, I meant they were fairly equivalent in terms of chainline.
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
Yes...in the middle of my nightmares.

No seriously I have no issues with triples, but it's horribly flat around here and I have been riding full size doubles for so long it's pathetic.

I just thought I would try a compact on a rig that I was intending for slower family rides and possible commuting. I haven't thrown it out the window yet, but as the thread title notes I am just disappointed in my perception of the gaps with the current setup.
I think that goofy bike would be perfect for a paper route.
Give it some thought.

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Originally Posted by biker7
Let's see jacka$$...here's a line of thought that maybe you can even follow. An idiot like you can't get his Campy compact to shift properly and everybody else who owns one has no issue including me.
Must be a Campy issue.
For a low life like you to criticize Campy with your POS build that you shamelessly posted...is laughable.
How's that stupid?

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Originally Posted by ggg300
tell me more of the hills you refer to...mapped?
Used to be Northeast Kingdom area of VT (near Killington), then during high school it was up around Franconia Notch area of New Hampshire (near Mt. Washington)... moved out to CO, lived near Crested Butte... since I moved out to So-Cal I'm up in the Hollywood Hills mostly- I also like to take sunset down to the ocean and explore those roads that get up into the hills nearer the beach... some nice climbs out near Malibu too.

You a live-in-the-hills guy too? Where do you ride at?
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Originally Posted by biker7
I think that goofy bike would be perfect for a paper route.
Give it some thought.

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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
Yes...in the middle of my nightmares.

No seriously I have no issues with triples, but it's horribly flat around here and I have been riding full size doubles for so long it's pathetic.
I just thought I would try a compact on a rig that I was intending for slower family rides and possible commuting. I haven't thrown it out the window yet, but as the thread title notes I am just disappointed in my perception of the gaps with the current setup.
Thats what I'd say also.
compacts really seem to come into play when you have a great variety of terrain to ride. If the possibility is that you'll be on some flats and then might just end up on a 2K to 4K elevation climb, then a compact really is a great option (if a triple isn't in the cards).
I got used to the compact fairly quickly, but that is largely because I've always been a 'single step' kinda rider, meaning 1 tooth diff on the cog steps if possible, due mostly to the 'competition' riding. If you throw larger steps into a cog range for a compact, then you really have to hunt for a 'nice' gear and might often be missin the one you want. So, I single step my 9 spd cassette from 13 to 19 then 21 & 23 - the 34/23 really does the trick on climbing anything steep, long or both.
The single step covers me on the entire range from a 102 inch gear down to 40 and is especially effective in the 90 to 70 inch range. First I run the 50 thru the cog range and not using the last/largest cog and then if it needs it, into the 34, not using the smallest, and run that range. Except for the chain rub when in 34/2nd cog, it all works great. I fixed the chain rub by a small 1mm shim to the inside 34 ring - works great.
But I really think you gotta go single step to have a compact 'feel' like a std ring setup on flats and rolling for performance riding. Less or non-issue if you ride mostly at tour pace. Not to denegrate 'tour', I luv that side also; but the gearing demands are different where a 'tight' range is actually a detriment and a larger spread is a plus.
For most races I now use a 12-21 9 spd cassette and I NEVER have to fool with the FD, regardless of race course profile. If its really nasty, on goes the 13-23.
Swapping cassettes to get the right range for the compact is so Freekin easy, I can be ready for any kinda ride in less than 5 minutes of decidin if its mostly flat/rollin or serious climbin and poppin on the needed cassette.
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Originally Posted by Blue Jays
All-in-all it seems that a traditional 53 x 39 arrangement would benefit a larger cross-section of riders. While compacts work for many, I just haven't embraced that setup, since mashing works well for me. Running a 11-23 in the rear seems to provide enough low gearing for even very steep sections.

How so? Most guys here who run a 53/39 set up have a 12/25 cassette. With a 50/36 11/23 set up you gain a little on both ends with a tighter cassette spacing. On top of that you get some weight savings.
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/\/\ El Diablo Rojo, my observation has been 53 x 39 in front coupled with 11-23 out back has been sufficient for terrain encountered on the eastern side of the U.S.A. In preparation for a trip to the Rocky Mountains (525 miles over six days with altitudes over 12,000 feet) I'm going to have to study the anticipated grades and duration of the climbs to see if it will still be manageable. Needless to say, my group is willing to reduce average speed to minimize the amount of hardware changes that we might need to make...not to mention allowing our lungs to adjust. Everyone from our group is running traditional crank setups with only one or two people opting for triples for this particular trip.
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Originally Posted by Blue Jays
/\/\ El Diablo Rojo, my observation has been 53 x 39 in front coupled with 11-23 out back has been sufficient for terrain encountered on the eastern side of the U.S.A. In preparation for a trip to the Rocky Mountains (525 miles over six days with altitudes over 12,000 feet) I'm going to have to study the anticipated grades and duration of the climbs to see if it will still be manageable. Needless to say, my group is willing to reduce average speed to minimize the amount of hardware changes that we might need to make...not to mention allowing our lungs to adjust. Everyone from our group is running traditional crank setups with only one or two people opting for triples for this particular trip.
SRAM has an 11-26 (10 speed) cassette...which should be perfect for that.

Harris Cyclery has an 11-28 (High and Wide - 9 speed) which is also a do-everything cassette.

Just fyi.
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Mo'Phat, that 10-speed SRAM cassette sounds pretty cool. I wonder how a short-cage rear derailleur would perform on it? Any insights or reports from fellow riders you know?
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FWIW I had a 'traditional' 53/39 11/23 or 11/25 set up on my bikes for over 17 years. It wasn't until I did a power fit on a computrainer and we realized that my sweet spot regarding my RPM's was between 92-110 that I decided to go with the compact. I've never looked back and have been quite competitive in my races with this set up.
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