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Old 04-23-07, 08:38 AM
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Landis more guilty than ever!

Landis was first opposed to any retesting. Then he backed the idea. Ok.
He designated two experts to oversee the counter-testing (and two members of the USADA)....The results are in....Guilty.
What on earth is he going to come up with now?
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...source?
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Eurosport:

Further analyses of urine samples from 2006 Tour de France winner Floyd Landis have shown traces of synthetic testosterone, French newspaper L'Equipe reported.

The seven samples, taken during the 2006 Tour, had at first been tested negative but were retested by a French laboratory, L'Equipe said on its website (www.lequipe.fr.).

The lab used a technique aimed at detecting exogenous testosterone as opposed to the hormone naturally contained in the body.

The tests were conducted by the anti-doping lab in Chatenay-Malabry, outside Paris, and Landis's representatives as well as experts from the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) attended the procedure, the report said.

American Landis faces a disciplinary hearing in the U.S. next month after testing positive for testosterone during the 2006 Tour.

If found guilty of doping, Landis, who denies any wrongdoing, faces a two-year suspension from the sport and the possibility of becoming the first Tour winner to be stripped of his title.

However, the American could take the matter to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

The French Anti-Doping Agency (AFLD) agreed in February to postpone its investigation into the case in exchange for a pledge by the Californian not to race in the country in 2007, which means he will not take part in this year's Tour.

Landis, 31, is due to have a separate USADA hearing on May 14.

His lawyers say the samples were mislabelled by the French laboratory which conducted the tests, the testing process was unreliable and the rider never in fact tested positive.

Testosterone can speed up recovery after exercise and generally improves stamina and strength
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...source?

Sorry...

Here's one.... google for others...
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...dis-Doping.php
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OKay...one question still lingers. Why were the previous samples NOT positive prior to Stage 17? Don't look good for him.
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From what I understand they weren't positive after stage 17 either.
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OKay...one question still lingers. Why were the previous samples NOT positive prior to Stage 17? Don't look good for him.
Because the Blood he re-infused the night before the stage still had traces of synthetic testosterone in it. Blood that was taken out after the Dauphine, If you see tyler hamiltons med chart, he was a human pin cushion betweent the Dauphine and the Tour, banging away Test, EPO, and HgH.

This could have been avoided by using Dr. Fuentes Lab, (operation puerto) which allegedly bragged to have the ability to scrub your blood of any trace elements before it went back in. But then we would have bags of blood labled "mennonite" seized in the raid, and everyone could have aruged whether or not it was Floyd etc..
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I suppose it is kind of amusing in one way, but is this thread really going to be a compendium of excuses; cop-outs; personal attacks; anti-french sentiments; pseudo-science; etc, etc..... ?
Is anyone ever going to realize or admit, that No, JAck Daniels does not increase testosetrone and that Yes, Landis Doped..... Anyone?
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http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cyclin...ory?id=2838972

Long story short, the original lab (Chatenay-Malabry) is redoing some tests. The results should be out in a few days.

IMO Landis' comments on this may sway your opinion one way or the other, but they prove nothing.
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And we assume we can trust the original lab? Still? Hasnt this lab's credibility come into question multiple times in multiple cases?
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So is this still the sample that had the questionable chain of ownership? If so, why would the results be any different than the first two times tested?

From what I gather, Landis case pretty much hinges on the sample being bungled as it went through the lab's hands with id numbers getting changed, etc.

This test would be nothing new if it's the same sample.
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Originally Posted by Blaireau
Is anyone ever going to realize or admit, that everyone doped..... Anyone?
Fixed.
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I'm sure it also can't look so good that Floyd used to be Armstrong's teammate, I mean for Armstrong, he's probably the next one the French will go after once again
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Originally Posted by dknight07
And we assume we can trust the original lab? Still? Hasnt this lab's credibility come into question multiple times in multiple cases?
Yes but in this case there are going to be so many witnesses that the chances of the test being screwed up or screwed with is very slim. The results will be valid.
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Originally Posted by CyLowe97
So is this still the sample that had the questionable chain of ownership?
From Cyclingnews:
"The analysis of seven of Floyd Landis urine 'B' samples, taken during the 2006 Tour de France, show traces of synthetic testosterone, according to the French newspaper L'Equipe."

No, it looks like seven more samples tested positive.
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Originally Posted by DRLski
I'm sure it also can't look so good that Floyd used to be Armstrong's teammate, I mean for Armstrong, he's probably the next one the French will go after once again

the french will continue to do this kind of thing until a Frenchman wins Le Tour which basically
means this will go on for a while. le duh.
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Originally Posted by CyLowe97
So is this still the sample that had the questionable chain of ownership? If so, why would the results be any different than the first two times tested?

From what I gather, Landis case pretty much hinges on the sample being bungled as it went through the lab's hands with id numbers getting changed, etc.

This test would be nothing new if it's the same sample.
Exactly. Pretty simple, isn't it? So simple, in fact, that one could argue that anyone touting these new tests as "conclusive" is either:

A. ********

or

B. Some jealous CAT 5 no-placing loser who's mad that his pink CSC kit and Cervelo clone-o-ride haven't made him suck any less, so they want to tear down a champion.



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Yes but in this case there are going to be so many witnesses that the chances of the test being screwed up or screwed with is very slim. The results will be valid.
I don't know if Floyd is guilty or innocent but I will say this. The blood samples have been in the hands of a questionable lab and questionable employees of the lab. I have no faith that the samples that they are testing are Floyd's nor do I feel that if they are his, that they have not been doctored at this point. Unfortunately my opinion means squat...
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Originally Posted by garysol1
I have no faith that the samples that they are testing are Floyd's nor do I feel that if they are his, that they have not been doctored at this point. Unfortunately my opinion means squat...
It's one hell of a conspiracy if all eight samples have been doctored.
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Originally Posted by Snicklefritz
the french will continue to do this kind of thing until a Frenchman wins Le Tour which basically
means this will go on for a while. le duh.
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These additional tests mean as much as Landis' denials. Both are meaningless to the heart of the matter.

I am still waiting for the anti-doping authorities to "find" a system error (with no personal blame). They must either do that or face their sloppy procedural work in open hearings.
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Originally Posted by VT to CA


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Originally Posted by Snicklefritz
the french will continue to do this kind of thing until a Frenchman wins Le Tour which basically
means this will go on for a while. le duh.
Yea, this moves a Frenchman all the way up to 6th if Floyd gets DQ'd. Let's see the last Frenchman who cam close to a win was Richard Virenque, and we all know how much he benefited by having drug testing.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your paranoid delusions.

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FYI, Landis stated that his representitive was not allowed to witness the testing and was banned from the building.

Also, they did not test the B samples for the T/ET ratio... only the isotope test.

I personally think testing the B samples is pretty ********, since one sample tested means nothing according to the WADA prodecures (not that they have followed them in the least). I personally have no idea if Landis doped or not.... I don't even care that much. But, I do have a SERIOUS problem with people not following protocols.... why even have them in place if you won't follow them? I'd love to see a clean sport. But you have to have a testing system that you can belive in and trust. They also need to go after the team managers who are likely behind most of it in the first place.
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Originally Posted by garysol1
I don't know if Floyd is guilty or innocent but I will say this. The blood samples have been in the hands of a questionable lab and questionable employees of the lab. I have no faith that the samples that they are testing are Floyd's nor do I feel that if they are his, that they have not been doctored at this point. Unfortunately my opinion means squat...
What blood samples? Do you know somethgin the rest of the world does not? BTW if they had blood samples it would be very easy (relatively speeking) to determine for sure if they were Floyds of not.
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