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Biggest differences in Cat 5 and Cat 4?

Old 05-02-07, 06:26 PM
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Biggest differences in Cat 5 and Cat 4?

I have only one more race until im able to move up to a cat 4 and was wondering what the biggest differences are between the two.
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Old 05-02-07, 06:30 PM
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23mph average turns into 25.5.
Slightly better cornering and pack skills.
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Old 05-02-07, 06:34 PM
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Its pretty much the same. most of the time the races are 4/5 anyway so there would be no difference.
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Thanks. i also race in nc
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did you race meadowmont?
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I've heard that the pace actually slows in some 4s races as the people develop better race strategies. That is just what someone said. I have no idea.
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^^^^ LAst 5's race I did we passed the 4's. The 4's were smart enough to know a solo break wouldn't survive into a 25mph headwind. We weren't and kept ramping the pace running down suicidal attacks.
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Originally Posted by Bantam
I've heard that the pace actually slows in some 4s races as the people develop better race strategies. That is just what someone said. I have no idea.
Haven't found that to be the case at all. When compared to 5 open 4/5 races are faster. 4 races are faster than 4/5. 3/4 races are faster than 4s...etc.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
^^^^ LAst 5's race I did we passed the 4's. The 4's were smart enough to know a solo break wouldn't survive into a 25mph headwind. We weren't and kept ramping the pace running down suicidal attacks.

That seems like the summarie of all cat 5 races.
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Hey, did u race meadowmont
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In mountain/hill climb races many 5s are faster than 4s.
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Originally Posted by Jcyclist
Hey, did u race meadowmont
Yeppers. As did a few other guys on here, check the racing subforum for the write up.
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Here in Florida the 4 road races are maybe 50% longer on average than the 5's. So yeah, a slower pace is possible.
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Around here it's mainly smarter racing and the beginnings of team strategy. There's also a bit more patience with riders off the front, as others have mentioned. Some say it's safer, but don't kid yourself--there can still be carnage.

If you're unattached, I'd also start looking for a club. Training and racing just become easier and more fun, at least in my experience--my club is great, though. YMMV.
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yea right now im unnatached but have a coach.
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I just moved up to the 4's, the fields are larger, races are longer, and the 3 races I've done so far were faster. Yes there is more patience with chasing people down, there is somewhat better handling, but be prepared, there are still sketchy riders in the 4's. I found more talking going on, most riders tend to let you know where they are better, for example, inside, outside, on your left, etc. In the 5's I've raced in barely anyone would talk.

When you are riding in the front and you let up a bit or fall out of your line you can go to mid/back of the pack very fast, someone will jump in your spot if you're not paying attention.
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Originally Posted by Jcyclist
Hey, did u race meadowmont
Don't you mean "die by the hand of Meadowmont"?
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Old 05-02-07, 07:37 PM
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Oh, I forgot to add that in the 4's there are no pro mountain bikers or "I only race TT's and they don't count for upgrades" types who will show up and rip your legs off, i.e. random unlicensed folks off the street are required to race Cat 5. That can be frustrating.
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Given that I'm probably the only person on this forum to have been a 4 then a 5 (long story) I feel I have some insight on this. Essentially 4's are a slightly more ****genous group. A Cat 5 pack,after the the folks that are just giving it a flyer, and don't really understand what they're getting into, are shed is pretty equivalent to Cat 4's., whereas most everyone in Cat 4 can hang to some degree.
, with much less deadweight.


In other words, the top 25 or so of the Cat 5 group is as strong as the Cat 4's (heck half of them will be Cat 4's next week). Add in the random triathelete doing their occassional race, (alluded to above0 and the front of the Cat 5 group is pretty strong.

On the other hand everyone in the Cat 4 group will be reasonably strong, and there will be much less chafe to seperate from the wheat. Also some semblence of team tactics and strategy may begin to come into play in the 4's.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Oh, I forgot to add that in the 4's there are no pro mountain bikers or "I only race TT's and they don't count for upgrades" types who will show up and rip your legs off, i.e. random unlicensed folks off the street are required to race Cat 5. That can be frustrating.
There are a few expert/elite MTN bikers and semi pro tri guys that are CAT 4 sandbaggers in my parts of the woods but as a whole I agree its less.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Given that I'm probably the only person on this forum to have been a 4 then a 5 ...

You're not.
Fortunately the USCF/USAC folks seem to be gracious enough to not remember those days.
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It appears I'm likely to be a 3, then a 5. 17 years makes a difference, huh?
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Originally Posted by oopfoo
It appears I'm likely to be a 3, then a 5. 17 years makes a difference, huh?
Theoretically, you can never downgrade to a 5. However, if you haven't had a license for a number of years, and just send in a new application (as oppossed to a renewal of the old) you just get processed as a new rider. And given my fitness when I got my license back, no one was complaining.
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Ther are no fives in four which is a huge difference. But there are plenty os sandbaggers.
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