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Quick Neuvation Wheelset question

Old 05-23-07, 09:54 PM
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Quick Neuvation Wheelset question

I am planning on picking up a set of Neuvation wheels in the near future, and have to decide between the M28 Aero2s and the R28 Aero3s. The price difference is $50, with a team discount, and I'm wondering if its worth the extra money.

What are the real differences? From what I can tell, there are 2 extra cartridge bearings on the R28s and the rims are 40g lighter/wheel, also on the R28s, and the R28s also have slightly more bladed spokes (4.5mm vs 4.3mm). Is there any ride difference? What are your opinions? Should I see if the R28 SL3's are offered? With non-bladed spokes, they are down in the 1540g range, as opposed to 1600 (R28 Aero3) and 1740 (M28 Aero2).

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Old 05-23-07, 10:12 PM
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Is 140 grams worth it to you?

Thats up to you.
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How bout I pay you $75 and I'll ship you my Aero2s and you send me some Aero3s

I'm beggin to get a set of Aero3s or SL3s this next month.
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My view:

R28 Aero3 is lighter but it uses an aluminum freehub body (that WILL get chewed up if you are using Shimano) and aluminum nipples which can become problematic with mileage. Not worth the weight savings to me.
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So between the R28 SL3 and the R28 Aero3 which would you get? Is the 60g difference worth it for aero spokes vs non-aero DT Competition spokes?

Thanks for the replies and keep them coming!

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Originally Posted by Nessism
My view:

R28 Aero3 is lighter but it uses an aluminum freehub body (that WILL get chewed up if you are using Shimano) and aluminum nipples which can become problematic with mileage. Not worth the weight savings to me.
I've got about 10,000 miles on my R28 SL2 without them needing to be trued. The cassette body will get chewed up slightly, but so what? Mine still works fine, and if it stops working I'll buy another one for $40. No big deal .
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I've got two sets of Neuvation wheels. R28 Aero2s and R28Sl2. I'd spend the additional coin over the M28s. I've got about 5k miles on my R28SL2s and at my peak I was 205lbs riding them. I'm 188 right now. They are my EVERY day wheels. Ridden many centuries, climbed lookout mountain and Brasstown Bald with them. Every 2k miles, I have had to take the rear hub apart and clean the pawls but the disassembly takes oh....2 minutes. They have NEVER been trued.

Honestly, I think the R28 aeros look cooler with the flat bladed spokes.


Originally Posted by sjmayclin
I am planning on picking up a set of Neuvation wheels in the near future, and have to decide between the M28 Aero2s and the R28 Aero3s. The price difference is $50, with a team discount, and I'm wondering if its worth the extra money.

What are the real differences? From what I can tell, there are 2 extra cartridge bearings on the R28s and the rims are 40g lighter/wheel, also on the R28s, and the R28s also have slightly more bladed spokes (4.5mm vs 4.3mm). Is there any ride difference? What are your opinions? Should I see if the R28 SL3's are offered? With non-bladed spokes, they are down in the 1540g range, as opposed to 1600 (R28 Aero3) and 1740 (M28 Aero2).

Help!

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Old 05-24-07, 08:28 AM
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I thought so originally too. Have run my aluminum body 9 speed AND 10 speed. After 1k miles running 10 speed, I took off the cassette and looked at the body. It was slightly grooved but not unlike my XTR titanium body on my XTR wheelset. This is with a combined 5k of 9 and 10 speed action.

I vary between 185-205 in the year. If you read John's comments, higher cadence helps with preserving the freehub body. I have high cadence. If you are my weight and a masher, you might want to reconsider.

Hey, thanks again for your INFORMED comments on a product you don't even own.

It's $40 for a new body and I bought a campy one too.


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My view:

R28 Aero3 is lighter but it uses an aluminum freehub body (that WILL get chewed up if you are using Shimano) and aluminum nipples which can become problematic with mileage. Not worth the weight savings to me.
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Old 05-24-07, 08:31 AM
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oh and BTW, shimano uses aluminum nipples on the dura Ace wheelset. So do many other wheelset makers on their non-drive side.

Go back and keep using your Open Pros and brass nipples and leave some comments to people that actually ride a product.


Originally Posted by Nessism
My view:

R28 Aero3 is lighter but it uses an aluminum freehub body (that WILL get chewed up if you are using Shimano) and aluminum nipples which can become problematic with mileage. Not worth the weight savings to me.
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Old 05-24-07, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rutnick
oh and BTW, shimano uses aluminum nipples on the dura Ace wheelset. So do many other wheelset makers on their non-drive side.

Go back and keep using your Open Pros and brass nipples and leave some comments to people that actually ride a product.
+100 for Open Pros and brass nipples.

Aluminum spoke nipples and freehub bodies (for Shimano) are weight weenie compromises. If you want them, get them. As others have stated, the freehub body can be replaced if it gets chewed up and spoke nipples are easily replaced as well. My comment was stated as "My View" which means "my opinion". I don't like fussing around with things like rounded off aluminum nipples and I don't like the idea of the freehub body getting chewed up (there's a reason Shimano has never offered aluminum freehubs until they deepened the splines for 10 speed). I do have personal experience with these things thus my opinion is informed. Im proud to say my weight weenie days are in the past.

BTW, my current wheels are 28h DuraAce hubs (9 speed with the Ti freehub body), OP rims, 15/16 spokes on all but drive rear which is 14/15, brass nipples. All up weight is a little over 1600 grams. Wheels have over 8k miles and have only been touched up for true one time when I bought a Park tension gauge and felt like playing around).
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I have a set of R28sl2 that I am selling because 90% of my riding is commuting. I got a better (heavier) wheelset designed for the rough roads I ride.

I was very happy with the neuvations when I rode them though.
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Old 05-24-07, 08:12 PM
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well, I've had my neuvations for MANY thousands of miles too. Let's see...5k+? No issues, haven't trued them and the aluminum body looks about like my Ti body does on my XTR MTB wheels. It is NOT chewed up and will not be chewed up unless you are a masher.

Frankly, high quality aluminum freehub body would have been fine WITHOUT a hub redesign. They chose to make all their future wheelsets 10 speed compatible only. Face it...they did. And the 10 speed cassettes get really weird in the middle where they only have about 3 points of contact with the hub body.

Go to Neuvation's website and see what he says. If you are bid and mash, there might be a problem with the freehub body. If you spin no matter the weight, no issues.

To date, 2 wheelsets and no issues.

rounded aluminum nipples? Not if you use the right spoke wrench for the job.


Originally Posted by Nessism
+100 for Open Pros and brass nipples.

Aluminum spoke nipples and freehub bodies (for Shimano) are weight weenie compromises. If you want them, get them. As others have stated, the freehub body can be replaced if it gets chewed up and spoke nipples are easily replaced as well. My comment was stated as "My View" which means "my opinion". I don't like fussing around with things like rounded off aluminum nipples and I don't like the idea of the freehub body getting chewed up (there's a reason Shimano has never offered aluminum freehubs until they deepened the splines for 10 speed). I do have personal experience with these things thus my opinion is informed. Im proud to say my weight weenie days are in the past.

BTW, my current wheels are 28h DuraAce hubs (9 speed with the Ti freehub body), OP rims, 15/16 spokes on all but drive rear which is 14/15, brass nipples. All up weight is a little over 1600 grams. Wheels have over 8k miles and have only been touched up for true one time when I bought a Park tension gauge and felt like playing around).
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Originally Posted by Rutnick
rounded aluminum nipples? Not if you use the right spoke wrench for the job.
Aluminum nipples corrode and bind to the spokes. Spoke wrench has nothing to do with it. Check the following link for some others with the same experience as me.

https://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...60589#poststop
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Old 05-29-07, 10:09 AM
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but adding some type lube to the nipples and eyelets BEFORE they get corroded does.

Originally Posted by Nessism
Aluminum nipples corrode and bind to the spokes. Spoke wrench has nothing to do with it. Check the following link for some others with the same experience as me.

https://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...60589#poststop
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