Testing spoke tension by plucking it
#26
Originally Posted by Rocke
WOW, Bob,
Thanks for the walk down memory… Frank was a genius on many levels. I believe he could play anything he put his mind to. His sense of humor and timing being uncanny at times. I saw him I think when Michael Franks was playing near by and he did a great vibe/jazz thing totally impromptu based on Michael’s music, it was truly magic. (He did the same with Cash and many others.) Thanks for taking me back.
As for the thread… everything has harmonics, why wouldn’t the spokes on a wheel?
I am going to take my sons old guitar tuner and see how close the spokes are on Campy wheels! What a great idea. Blessings.
Thanks for the walk down memory… Frank was a genius on many levels. I believe he could play anything he put his mind to. His sense of humor and timing being uncanny at times. I saw him I think when Michael Franks was playing near by and he did a great vibe/jazz thing totally impromptu based on Michael’s music, it was truly magic. (He did the same with Cash and many others.) Thanks for taking me back.
As for the thread… everything has harmonics, why wouldn’t the spokes on a wheel?
I am going to take my sons old guitar tuner and see how close the spokes are on Campy wheels! What a great idea. Blessings.
#27
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Originally Posted by huytheskigod
Being a music person, this is the method I use. In fact, the last wheel I tensioned was done sitting next to a piano and comparing the pitches. If you want, go to your local music shop and pick up either a pitch key or a an electronic metronome/pitch generator. It'll cost no more than $15 for a basic one. The one sitting on my desk right now is a KORG metronome MA-30.
#28
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This article https://www.bikexprt.com/bicycle/tension.htm
explains the theory and gives a table of frequencies for various spoke lengths and types.
I built a wheel using this method and it worked pretty well. I found a musical pitch program online that would tell you the frequency of a tone via your computer microphone. I held my mike next to my wheel as I plucked the spokes and just read the frequency on the screen (yeah, I know, I do have a good ear, but this way was much more high tech).
explains the theory and gives a table of frequencies for various spoke lengths and types.
I built a wheel using this method and it worked pretty well. I found a musical pitch program online that would tell you the frequency of a tone via your computer microphone. I held my mike next to my wheel as I plucked the spokes and just read the frequency on the screen (yeah, I know, I do have a good ear, but this way was much more high tech).
#30
Originally Posted by waterrockets
You said "truing by ear," which is not possible.
Exactly, and you should balance the three variables as best you can, but give up round and true in favor of tension if there are issues in there. A tiny bobble is not an issue, but but undertensioned spokes are a huge issue. I've re-tuned perfectly round and true wheels that had horrible tension variability (AC Sprint 350s). When I was done, they were just as round and true, but nearly perfectly tensioned.
It is possible to have a systemic tension problem that comes from a symmetrical oval shape to the wheel. In these conditions, it's possible to retain roundness and true, while improving tension regularity. If you build the wheel focusing on all three variables throughout, you will avoid this situation altogether.
Exactly, and you should balance the three variables as best you can, but give up round and true in favor of tension if there are issues in there. A tiny bobble is not an issue, but but undertensioned spokes are a huge issue. I've re-tuned perfectly round and true wheels that had horrible tension variability (AC Sprint 350s). When I was done, they were just as round and true, but nearly perfectly tensioned.
It is possible to have a systemic tension problem that comes from a symmetrical oval shape to the wheel. In these conditions, it's possible to retain roundness and true, while improving tension regularity. If you build the wheel focusing on all three variables throughout, you will avoid this situation altogether.
The next set I build (planning on a XT hub to Velocity Dyad 36H 4x touring wheelset) I will try to take pitch into account.
#31
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Originally Posted by Hocam
The wheels I've built so far (only 4 but I only have 2 bikes, so =p) tend to get brought up to tension during the truing process, especially the rear wheels when getting the dishing right. I've never had an issue with a loose spoke or one that was even close to loose, but the pitch of my spokes varies considerably. I've put about 1500 miles of rough Philadelphia roads on my first set, second set is waiting for the frame to come back from the painters, and no problems. I haven't had to true them and no spokes have loosened.
The next set I build (planning on a XT hub to Velocity Dyad 36H 4x touring wheelset) I will try to take pitch into account.
The next set I build (planning on a XT hub to Velocity Dyad 36H 4x touring wheelset) I will try to take pitch into account.
With uneven tension, you're not going to get a loose/floppy spoke. Eventually the spokes with lower tone will fatigue and break at the bend. Pluck around your rim and draw a magic marker dot on your lowest-tone drive-side spoke. I'll bet that's the spoke that breaks one day.
I'm not trying to say your wheel might taco on your next ride. They'll be fine for 5000-7000 miles or so, then start to need more truing, and eventually you'll break a spoke, and replace it. A 1000 miles later, another spoke will break. Then it will get more frequent.
#32
Originally Posted by byte_speed
This article https://www.bikexprt.com/bicycle/tension.htm
explains the theory and gives a table of frequencies for various spoke lengths and types.
I built a wheel using this method and it worked pretty well. I found a musical pitch program online that would tell you the frequency of a tone via your computer microphone. I held my mike next to my wheel as I plucked the spokes and just read the frequency on the screen (yeah, I know, I do have a good ear, but this way was much more high tech).
explains the theory and gives a table of frequencies for various spoke lengths and types.
I built a wheel using this method and it worked pretty well. I found a musical pitch program online that would tell you the frequency of a tone via your computer microphone. I held my mike next to my wheel as I plucked the spokes and just read the frequency on the screen (yeah, I know, I do have a good ear, but this way was much more high tech).
I'd like to try it.
#34
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Originally Posted by Hocam
If the rim is true radially and laterally, and the spokes are destressed properly they are at the correct tension.
Originally Posted by Hocam
I don't see how you can take a true, round wheel, mess around with the spoke tension until it's closer to even and have a wheel as true.
Last edited by simplify; 06-02-07 at 08:22 AM.
#35
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Originally Posted by old and new
Doesn't seem right. You don't tune a guitar by torsional tension, you go by pitch and pitch only. Why should we believe the torsional tension has a flawless direct relationship to pitch and that we should be sure that the spokes are correctly tuned based on the note they make.Give me a break music man.
Last edited by simplify; 06-02-07 at 07:18 PM.
#36
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Just bike the bullet and buy a tension meter. I've got the one from Park and it's comforting to know that my spokes are in the window given by the manufacturer and that all of the spokes are tensioned the same.
#38
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Originally Posted by old and new
Doesn't seem right. You don't tune a guitar by torsional tension, you go by pitch and pitch only. Why should we believe the torsional tension has a flawless direct relationship to pitch and that we should be sure that the spokes are correctly tuned based on the note they make.Give me a break music man.





