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Tires: Continental GP 4000 S vs Michelin Pro Race 2 LE

Old 06-02-07, 01:20 AM
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Tires: Continental GP 4000 S vs Michelin Pro Race 2 LE

I'm in the market for a new pair of tires. I live in San Diego so I don't have to worry about how they perform wet.

I'm thinking about either:

Continental Grand Prix 4000 S (with new "Black Chili" compound)
http://probikekit.com/display.php?code=Y1015
$76 for 2

or
Michelin Pro Race 2 Limited Edition Service Course
http://www.worldclasscycles.com/clin..._only_cart.htm
$80 for 2

Which should I get?

Any opinions? Has anyone tried these new versions? (instead of the regular GP4000 or ProRace2)

Any links to better deals on these?

Thanks!
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Old 06-02-07, 02:40 AM
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I'm on the Michelin Special Edition - subjectively extremely supple compliant ride (softer than GP 4000), with great grip can corner faster, durability maybe an issue but they have not cut as much as the GP 4000 (not the S version), using them with Vittoria gold latex tubes. They only come with the "horizon" blue side walls, if color is an issue.
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Old 06-02-07, 05:02 AM
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I am riding the 4000 S and I really like them so far. They are definitely stickier than the 4000, and appear to be just as durable.
Your link isn't to the 4000 S though, it is another version of the 4000.
Here is the 4000 S:
PBK Conti 4000 S
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Old 06-02-07, 05:10 AM
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Vredestein Fortezza TriComps for training, Fortezza SL's for racing. Or tubulars.
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The link you have for the grand prix 4000S tires appears to be a different product. It looks like an its an updated GP 4000 with black chili compound. The GP 4000s tires are $42 per tire at PBK.

http://probikekit.com/display.php?code=y1014
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Old 06-02-07, 06:49 AM
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why list one price from pbk and another from a higher retailer?

2 pr2's are only $55 and for that price there is no option. better tire for cheaper.
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I have Pro Race 2's on one bike, and Conti GP4000's on another bike....

I like the Michelins better.
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Old 06-02-07, 08:11 AM
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My 2-cents...

While I know not the specific tires you refer to, I went through a disaster going from Michelin to Conty last season.

Michelin Krylion carbon=LOVE
Conty 4000=Hate

Now, this means nothing really to anyone else....and you might ask why I felt that way?

Conty's were much stickier....slower....less nimble.....whatever you call it.....than the Michelin tires.
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Originally Posted by Hipcycler
My 2-cents...

While I know not the specific tires you refer to, I went through a disaster going from Michelin to Conty last season.

Michelin Krylion carbon=LOVE
Conty 4000=Hate

Now, this means nothing really to anyone else....and you might ask why I felt that way?

Conty's were much stickier....slower....less nimble.....whatever you call it.....than the Michelin tires.
So you replied and used two tires he's not even asking about as examples...


I have the 4000S on the bike right now and put about 200 miles on them so far. The roll very well, turn in is positive when cornering, they stick well through the middle of the corner and the ride very similarly to Vitt Open Corsa CX rubber. After the 200 miles of riding on a lot of chipseal, there isn't so much as a mick in the tread.

I've ridden the Michelin ProRace SC and really thought they were average. I flatted often and didn't think they rolled any better than a Maxxis Columbiere.

For the money, get the Contis or Vittorias.
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I like the foot print of the Michelins; I felt they hard cornered better.
I bought the Cont GP4000 for the durability, they do not flat easy. (AZ, SoCal= lots of flats) I did not flat out once and I need to replace tires (worn out). I see the new GP 4000 S have a softer new compound and have addressed cornering, this will make them hard to beat, I am going to buy the upgraded Conti’s next. Blessings.
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I have almost 3000 miles on my gp4000. One flat on the rear when a piece of metal went straight through to the tube. From what I hear, they are not as supple as the Michelins, but I have had such great success with them with flatting, I dont want to try and get cute mixing it up. The wear indicators help. The rear is getting close, but the front should last another 2k - 3k.
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I just finished riding a century today with new set of 25mm GP4000's. They replaced a set of Pro Race 2's. My front Pro Race blew out the sidewall with less than a 1000 miles. The GP's rode very nice. The LBS made a mistake and installed 25mm, I told them no worries since they were installed on my 'all day' bike. How did they ride - super comfortable. Also, I didn't seem to loose any speed! Hope they wear better than the Pro Race's.
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Originally Posted by jrennie
why list one price from pbk and another from a higher retailer?

2 pr2's are only $55 and for that price there is no option. better tire for cheaper.


Yes the pro2's are a good tire but you can not yet claim that they are better than the new 4000 "S"
Tires. I have been riding the gp 4000 for most of my miles and I will say they have a rolling resistance that the Pro2's do not, the pro2's are a nice ride.
I am installing the GP4000 "S" tires right now and will put them to the test. If the claim of 36 percent less rolling resistance is good then I will be very happy. The feel of them is very supple unlike the 4000.
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Old 06-27-07, 09:18 PM
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Conti 4000 "s"

Most people do not understand the post, we are talking about the 4000 "S" brand new model, most bike shops do not even carry them yet.
So don't compare the regular 4000 tires to the Mich Pro2's even though I only ride gp4000 I like the mich Pro2.s better. We will see how that changes when I install the 4000 "S" in the next day.
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Originally Posted by OB1
I just finished riding a century today with new set of 25mm GP4000's. They replaced a set of Pro Race 2's. My front Pro Race blew out the sidewall with less than a 1000 miles. The GP's rode very nice. The LBS made a mistake and installed 25mm, I told them no worries since they were installed on my 'all day' bike. How did they ride - super comfortable. Also, I didn't seem to loose any speed! Hope they wear better than the Pro Race's.


The 4000 "S" is only made in a 23, you have the new gp 4000 tires not the "S"
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I've had problems with sidewall tears on the Conti's. No problems on Miche's. YMMV
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The vittoria open corsa evo cx's are absolutely dreamy... definitely give those a shot.
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The GP4000's are a decent training tire, high mileage and will take a fair bit of abuse. There are lots of better racing tires but you won't get 3-4K out of them and you'd better hope there's no crap on the road either. You have to compare apples to apples.

I just wrecked a GP4000 today, put a 1/4" piece of glass through it. But there was still ~ 60-70% of the tread left after ~2000 km.
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This thread is not talking about the standard GP4000 or the Pro2 race tires.

Its about the 4000 "S" model and the Pro2race "Limited Edition" tires, they cannot be compared to the standard versions , they are both much better in performance but less durable than the standard models.
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