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Old 06-02-07, 12:10 PM
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Using tire levers?

Today when I was fixing a flat, I was really having to pry with my plastic tire levers to get the tube/tire off the rim. I am wondering, since you are using the rim as a fulcrum in prying out the tire/tube, can it possible bend/damage the rim? I am assuming not because the lever is plastic while the rim is metal, so... I'd think the plastic would break first. Anyways, your help is appreciated.
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This is maybe a question best answered in the Mechanics forum. However, when I'm changing a tire at home I use stainless steel levers (the Park ones), which are longer and harder than the plastic ones. I have yet to damage a rim after maybe a hundred attempts with the steel levers, even when installing particularly fractious tires.

Short version: you're not gonna hurt your rim with plastic.
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New tires are the worst. After they have been mounted for awhile they stretch and remount easier. (Less pressure needed.)

I have seen folks scratch rims when levering with metal levers if they pull the lever out to far while levering up the rim and it slides across the face of the rim. (OUCH!)
I have very hard to mount rims, I have a friend help with new tires, more hands= fewer tools. (Like Keith Richards 3 handed guitar).

I am considering picking up the Kool Stop Bead Jack ($16.95), has anyone used one?
As always Harris Cyclery is a good source for instant wisdom here is a link to tire care.
http://sheldonbrown.com/flats.html#seating
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How to change a tire without tools: http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/...s/11418.0.html
Lots of good info there even if you are using tire levers.
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It only works for some combinations. Italian made rims seem to be nearly impossible, regardless of the tire.

Originally Posted by johnny99
How to change a tire without tools: http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/...s/11418.0.html
Lots of good info there even if you are using tire levers.
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Unless you're totally man-handling your wheels, you're not going to scratch them. Patience is key when mounting hard-to-mount tires-- I had a real bear of a time getting my new kevlar Gatorskins on a set of Mavic Open Pros the first time, after that I could put them on by hand.
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Old 06-02-07, 01:33 PM
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as long as you dont use something made of steel like a screwdriver, the lever will bend/scratch first.
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Originally Posted by Rocke
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I am considering picking up the Kool Stop Bead Jack ($16.95), has anyone used one?[
I just got one and have used it a few times. It works. I've used a more portable version, the VAR (goes by another name these days), which also worked well. I think the Beadjack works better because it's much more solid. The VAR is meant to be a portable tire lever while the Beadjack is a shop tool.
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Originally Posted by pinetreeforest1
Today when I was fixing a flat, I was really having to pry with my plastic tire levers to get the tube/tire off the rim. I am wondering, since you are using the rim as a fulcrum in prying out the tire/tube, can it possible bend/damage the rim? I am assuming not because the lever is plastic while the rim is metal, so... I'd think the plastic would break first. Anyways, your help is appreciated.
try this little fella out by crak brothers... best thing for changing a flat out on the road... I find it better than using tradition tire levers and cuts the time down in swapping things out. http://www.crankbrothers.com/speedlever.php
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also, don't forget that if you're using thick rim tape like Velox rim tape, it's going to be tougher to get a tire off and on because it's thicker than other rim tape...
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Originally Posted by 0_o
try this little fella out by crak brothers... best thing for changing a flat out on the road... I find it better than using tradition tire levers and cuts the time down in swapping things out. http://www.crankbrothers.com/speedlever.php
I've had one of those for several years now as well and it's not really that much better than regular tire levers for tight tires. In fact, it might be worse. If the tire is really tight, you simply can't run it along the rim. With conventional levers, it'll be a struggle but you can do it if the levers don't break or pop out. With the Speedlever, if it's not going to happen, it's not going to happen and you'll have to find some other way to get the tire on.

For really tight tires, I have to use the wishbone-style tire levers (VAR and Beadjack).

I worked as a wrench many years ago and have had my share of experiences with tight tires. These days, I don't waste my time and energy wrestling with them the old-fashioned way.
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Originally Posted by Squint
I've had one of those for several years now as well and it's not really that much better than regular tire levers for tight tires. In fact, it might be worse. If the tire is really tight, you simply can't run it along the rim. With conventional levers, it'll be a struggle but you can do it if the levers don't break or pop out. With the Speedlever, if it's not going to happen, it's not going to happen and you'll have to find some other way to get the tire on.

For really tight tires, I have to use the wishbone-style tire levers (VAR and Beadjack).

I worked as a wrench many years ago and have had my share of experiences with tight tires. These days, I don't waste my time and energy wrestling with them the old-fashioned way.
I've been pretty lucky I guess so far with my CB lever , the times i ended up having to change out my tire i never ran into problems. Sense these pretty cheap and same with the Beadjack, I'll go out and pick them up just for ****z and giggles

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I've had good luck with the crank bros speedlevers.
Taking tires off is not as hard as mounting new ones...and I found these levers a godsend after struglling and breaking two levers.
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I'm looking at getting the CB levers.
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Originally Posted by 0_o
try this little fella out by crak brothers... best thing for changing a flat out on the road... I find it better than using tradition tire levers and cuts the time down in swapping things out. http://www.crankbrothers.com/speedlever.php
I tried one of these while trying to install Conti Attack/Force onto Campy Eurus wheels and the sucker broke! I found it to be too flimsy when extended. I bought a pair of the heavy-duty Park tire levers after that.
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I use the quick stick http://www.rei.com/product/1647.htm
Works very well.

Even use it to pry new tires on. Never any issue.
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I use the quick stick http://www.rei.com/product/1647.htm
Works very well.
+1. I carry a 20-yr-old quickstick in my seatbag. Hasn't failed me yet. Thanks for the source, haven't seen any in shops in years.
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If you can bend the rim with a plastic tire lever you just defied the laws of physics.
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Originally Posted by johnny99
How to change a tire without tools: http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/...s/11418.0.html
Lots of good info there even if you are using tire levers.
Damn...can't view the video. I'm on a Mac, using Firefox as my browser of-choice. Maybe it'll work with Safari.
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