Yoshi

A lot of my friends and the people I often hang out with are vegan/vegetarian so the meat eaters in our group are usually the odd men/women out. Does that mean that, in our situation, the meat eaters are doing it for attention?

Nachoman

Koala. The OTHER white meat.

spry

No cabbage head lifestyle for me.This is America!It is your birthright to waddel up to the counter,clear the tobacco flem from your throat and proclaim,



"SUPER-SIZE ME!"

spry

No cabbage head lifestyle for me.This is America!It is your birthright to waddel up to the counter,clear the tobacco flem from your throat and proclaim,



"SUPER-SIZE ME!"

Hocam

EXACTLY!!!

Because if a lifetime of eating meat has you convinced you don't like it then you're wrong!! They just have to keep eating meat until they either like it or find some they like! You tell those damn hippy vegetarians what they like! Right on mleess!

In fact, I'm tired of ordering dishes at restaraunts that don't have any meat and being asked if I'm a vegetarian! How insulting!

Eddie Loves You

Vegan and checkin' in.


I didn't read the middle pages....how many people are angry at the veggies here?

xhavepatiencex

I find it so odd how some people get so bent out of shape by people that dont eat meat, I'm a veggie as well I dont drink, people always seem to be getting upset about what I don't do. It's weird. This thread gives me a headache.

Greko

It’s their guilt talking. They know eating meat is unhealthy and inhumane, but they’re too weak to make any changes.

lvleph

Only a few. If only people would ignore the dumb comments they would just go away. But it has not been much of a problem in this thread.

tissuedigester

I used to be a vegetarian (started about 13 years ago)...now I eat fish maybe twice a month, mainly because eating out is such a hassle without that allowance. I'm lactose intolerant too, so I don't consume dairy products very often. And I don't like the way eggs smell. I guess I'm a fake vegetarian. Most of the people have no idea that I don't eat meat until they become my close friends because I don't advertise it. So no, we're not all trying to make a statement.

Back to the OP, you might want to donate blood or something to get your iron checked for free before you start popping iron supplements, because one of the posters is right- too much iron can be toxic. I became anemic after a flirt with endurance running, and have had a hard time getting my iron stores back up without supplements. I never had a problem before taking up running and cycling, so it does seem that heavy exercise will deplete your iron stores. (I read somewhere that it's an adaptation to increase oxygen efficiency, and vegetarians generally have smaller stores, which is why they're more likely to become anemic, but I can't remember where)

I eat a lot of leafy green vegetable, fruit, beans, and soy products. I've also been trying to eat more nuts for the protein, but I don't really like them. I don't really notice any ill health effects on long rides (other than my wimpiness, which is just a given and would be the same if I ate meat I'm sure)

slowandsteady

We are omnivores and it is quite natural. My chickens and their eggs taste much better and have zero drugs or chemicals added to their diet. They eat my leftovers, bugs, worms, mice, and graze all day long.

The reason I have chickens is that I am going to eat chicken...at least I know they were living a very good life(I have happy chickens!) and had a humane and instant death. Too many people think chicken lives in a saran wrap container. I think you should know how to kill your food. If you can't kill it yourself, you shouldn't be eating it.

Hocam

Raising chickens on a farm is far from natural, chickens are actually far from natural.

Chasing down buffalo with flint headed spears while covered in cow **** and dead buffalo hides however, quite natural.



Point is, we are omnivores and eating meat 2-3 meals a day is definitely unnecessary and far from natural.

Hopetoditchcar

Some of my close friends are meat eaters, as well as my entire immediate family, it dosen't bother me. I choose to stop because of health related issues. Many common illnesses don't show up as often in vegetarians, such as colon cancer, prostate cancer, cardiovascular disease... Some of this is most likely related to the fact that if someone is a vegetarian, they generally lead a healthier lifestyle then those who eat meat. In my own humble opinion, giving up meat wasn't giving up much, and the heath benefits were/are definetly worth it.

ratebeer

I don't agree Jainists are idiots for their beliefs but that kind of thinking does seriously creep me out.

The vampire myth is one shared by many cultures around the globe. That which doesn't want death or to die will uncontrollably and nefariously feed on youth and vitality. I simply don't trust people that can't fully accept and develop respect for death and the act of taking life - an unbalanced fascination with one side of the cycle of life. Sort of like my wariness of Breathairians around my pizza after I invited one in and he inhaled almost all of an extra large!

slowandsteady

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slowandsteady

Corn isn't any more natural than a chicken. The wild version of just about everything we eat, veggies and all, was in some way manipulated by man. And there is NOTHING natural about tofu, soy milk, lentil based hot dogs, etc... The oddest, most manipulated, processed food is the stuff marketed to Vegans.

You haven't seen my chickens and my "Farm" is 5 acres of grass, trees, plants, dirt, sticks, yah know nature. Just this morning there were three deer grazing on the same land as my goats, sheep and horses. When does nature end and the farm begin? Apparently the deer can't tell the difference.


Here is a picture of one of the breeds I have, a golden penciled hamburg. And here are some cornish. I have several different cornish. They are pretty close to what a wild chicken would look like.





You might want to quote a source when making a statement like eating meat is not natural. There is nothing to support that statement. You can certainly choose to not eat meat, but don't lie about the reasons.

Yoshi

I don't think he was trying to say that eating meat was unnatural but rather eating meat 2-3 times a day is. In some sense it is, way back when (pre-domestication) humans ate way less meat because it was scarce. We ate far more plants which would explain why we have an appendix.

However we don't live "way back when" and regardless all of this is based on the logical fallacy of appealing to nature.

pedalada

Eddie Loves You

Eating meat is not unnatural. I don't doubt that we've evolved to where we are because of the amino acids and proteins supplied by meat. But the fact is that we don't NEED meat to survive, and the meat industry is an inhumane entity. I don't even agree with killing your own meat; besides the fact that it is HIGHLY unlikely that the meat you kill is your only source of meat, I don't think that it is morally acceptable to take another life when it is unnecessary under any circumstances. As millions of people have shown, we do not need animal products to live healthy lives; in fact, is healthier not to consume animal products.

It is all about convenience and the status quo. If fast food restaurants were always all vegan, people would still go there everyday. People are afraid of change and of things that they perceive as difficult.

Sorry if I don't make sense, I'm drunk.

lvleph

A vegetarian arguing against killing is sort of a ridiculous idea. Look throughout nature, killing is a natural process. I use to argue that killing was unethical and immoral, but really that is truly a dumb argument. The issue at hand is really the treatment of the animal up until the slaughter, and the fact that it is cruel to keep them cooped up. Case in point, I have absolutely no problem with hunting, except that I don't like the idea of an animal having a prolonged death. However, I feel that this is a better situation than, especially, factory farming. In which case, the animal lives a miserable life and still, in many cases, has a prolonged death.

mleess

Of course eating meat is natural. Take a look around at nature! Humans have been eating meat since their very inception. Only the most convoluted logic can look at this situation and conclude that it is not natural to eat meat.

Eating meat is not immoral. And if it is, why isn't it also immoral to rip a living plant out of the ground, tearing its roots from the Earth where it was growing so peacefully. That plant never did anything to hurt you, and it certainly didn't ask to be ripped up and eaten.

lvleph

Eating meat has been part of the hominid diet for at least 6 million years. However, especially in the USA, people eat a lot more meat than just about any time in history. Partly because meat had been a scarce commodity until factory farming came about.

Hocam

Cool, my mistake.

I didn't say eating meat is not natural, I said eating meat 2-3 times daily is not natural.

Yoshi

*sigh*

Greko

Ripping your head off and stuffing it up your behind would be the natural thing for me to do, but since I’m a human who has evolved past inhumane behavior, I choose to simply type on my keyboard, and eat my dead apples.