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06-12-07, 01:37 PM
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Vegetarians
Hello all, I was wondering if there are any other veggie cyclists hanging around that could fill me in on what kind of diet they have. I've recently gotten into the sport and I don't think pizza and taco bell is going to cut it. I was also looking for recommendations on any protein shakes that don't taste like dirt.
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make sure you get PLENTY of iron.
i was a macro-pychotic my first year racing and ended up anemic.
that was the beginning of the end of being an uptight vegetarian.
i was a macro-pychotic my first year racing and ended up anemic.
that was the beginning of the end of being an uptight vegetarian.
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cytosport Muscle milk is wonderful...
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I am a vegetarian (no eggs but some milk) and have been for something like 13 yrs. I haven't changed my diet due to cycling, but then again I was a skateboarder for 15 years and skated atleast 4 hours to 6 hours a day. If you really insist on Toka Bowl or Pizza it will work, but not really a good way to sustain one's self.
Good Places for Recipes:
Parsley Soup
Some No Name Place
There are many many more places, but those should be okay for now.
Good Places for Recipes:
Parsley Soup
Some No Name Place
There are many many more places, but those should be okay for now.
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I'm a vegan and I haven't really changed my diet much since I started racing. The most I've done is replace most of the processed flours/grains in my diet with whole wheat.
I've actually read that a vegetarian diet is idea for endurance sports as they tend to be higher in carbohydrates.
I'd also second the iron recommendation. Iron is pretty important to cycling and vegetarian diets are often low in iron.
I've actually read that a vegetarian diet is idea for endurance sports as they tend to be higher in carbohydrates.
I'd also second the iron recommendation. Iron is pretty important to cycling and vegetarian diets are often low in iron.
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
I'm a vegan and I haven't really changed my diet much since I started racing. The most I've done is replace most of the processed flours/grains in my diet with whole wheat.
I've actually read that a vegetarian diet is idea for endurance sports as they tend to be higher in carbohydrates.
I'd also second the iron recommendation. Iron is pretty important to cycling and vegetarian diets are often low in iron.
I've actually read that a vegetarian diet is idea for endurance sports as they tend to be higher in carbohydrates.
I'd also second the iron recommendation. Iron is pretty important to cycling and vegetarian diets are often low in iron.
The whole carbohydrate thing actually annoys me. I can't just sit around without gaining a bit of weight.
06-12-07, 01:59 PM
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Vegan or eggs and milk? So you're new to vegetarianism and cycling?
I'm not a vegetarian any longer and haven't been for some time but I found as my fitness increases, I tend to be adding more raw foods, more whole grains (bulgur and quinoa!) and am snacking more on fruit. It seems to be helping with fat loss.
More resources:
https://www.veganathlete.com/
https://www.organicathlete.org/
https://www.rawfoods.com/
I'm not a vegetarian any longer and haven't been for some time but I found as my fitness increases, I tend to be adding more raw foods, more whole grains (bulgur and quinoa!) and am snacking more on fruit. It seems to be helping with fat loss.
More resources:
https://www.veganathlete.com/
https://www.organicathlete.org/
https://www.rawfoods.com/
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Originally Posted by ratebeer
Vegan or eggs and milk? So you're new to vegetarianism and cycling?
06-12-07, 02:04 PM
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Oatmeal in the morning does wonders.
1.5 C Oatmeal (not instant)
1/4 C Raisins
2 T Brown Sugar
Not sure how much water I use. I just put it in a ziploc container and pour the water until it gets to the top of the oats.
1.5 C Oatmeal (not instant)
1/4 C Raisins
2 T Brown Sugar
Not sure how much water I use. I just put it in a ziploc container and pour the water until it gets to the top of the oats.
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06-12-07, 02:12 PM
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You can't be vegetarian and be putting in a lot of miles on the bike. There's simply no way around it. You need amino acids and protein from meat. Don't try to ramp up the miles/training time without adding some meat into your diet. You'll be doing irreversible physical damage.
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Originally Posted by rhennigan
New to cycling, been a vegetarian for many years. I'm just trying to get pointers on what type of things I should look for. The comments about iron were very helpful.
You mentioned a good protein shake... I just wanted to add that attention to protein just post-ride is a good idea with some scientific support. Find one that works for you.
Best of luck!
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From what I have read the concern with protein and vegetarians is unfounded. Too bad I cannot link to where I found that since I don't remember.
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Originally Posted by ***Butch***
You can't be vegetarian and be putting in a lot of miles on the bike. There's simply no way around it. You need amino acids and protein from meat. Don't try to ramp up the miles/training time without adding some meat into your diet. You'll be doing irreversible physical damage.
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Originally Posted by rhennigan
Couldn't you just get these things from supplements? Seems there's a handful of vegetarians around here that do just fine.
06-12-07, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ***Butch***
You can't be vegetarian and be putting in a lot of miles on the bike. There's simply no way around it. You need amino acids and protein from meat. Don't try to ramp up the miles/training time without adding some meat into your diet. You'll be doing irreversible physical damage.
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[QUOTE=***Butch***]You can't be vegetarian and be putting in a lot of miles on the bike. There's simply no way around it. You need amino acids and protein from meat. Don't try to ramp up the miles/training time without adding some meat into your diet. You'll be doing irreversible physical damage.[/QUOTE]
I am not claiming to be a nutritionist or anything...but really...
irreversible damage bro? Do you have FACTS to back this claim up?
Pretty sure you can supplement just about any form of amino acids and protien..There are plenty of proffesional atheletes well beyond most of our talents that are vegetarians.
I am not claiming to be a nutritionist or anything...but really...
irreversible damage bro? Do you have FACTS to back this claim up?Pretty sure you can supplement just about any form of amino acids and protien..There are plenty of proffesional atheletes well beyond most of our talents that are vegetarians.
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
I'm reasonably sure that was a joke.
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I have nothing against vegetarianism since I think it's better for the environment and is usually healthier vs. the meat and fat laden diet that many Americans eat, but this book I've been reading:
Before the Dawn: Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors (Hardcover)
says that our ancestors that descended from the trees evolved from vegetarians to meat eaters because they needed a source of energy for their larger brains which in the case of modern man takes up 20% of our calories. Since our ancestors started eating more eat, they didn't need teeth or jaws as large as their plant chewing predecessors, the Governator notwithstanding.
Here's some info on Dave Scott, who used to be a vegetarian:
https://organicathlete.zaadz.com/blog...ger_vegetarian
Before the Dawn: Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors (Hardcover)
says that our ancestors that descended from the trees evolved from vegetarians to meat eaters because they needed a source of energy for their larger brains which in the case of modern man takes up 20% of our calories. Since our ancestors started eating more eat, they didn't need teeth or jaws as large as their plant chewing predecessors, the Governator notwithstanding.
Here's some info on Dave Scott, who used to be a vegetarian:
https://organicathlete.zaadz.com/blog...ger_vegetarian
Look at any list of famous vegetarians, and Dave Scott, 6-time Ironman winner, is on top of the list. A few weeks ago, I mentioned Dave during a radio interview. The radio host said she had interviewed Dave a few weeks prior and that he was no longer vegetarian. Oops.
Charity emailed Dave and he replied:
“My apologies in not getting back to you. I was a vegetarian through the 80's and reintroduced fish, chicken and turkey in 1992. My diet is primarily plant based as it has been for 30 years. I gravitate towards tuna and salmon and once a week have either chicken or turkey.
The media still publishes my image as a vegetarian………… and without asking, the truth is never told. I will always be a strong and steadfast proponent of a vegetarian diet.
Dave Scott ”
I don't know why Dave eats fish, presumably for essential fatty acids or protein. I doubt he's thinking he lacks in mercury contamination, but maybe. And as for the chicken and turkey, there's really not any good reason for that. Anyway, vegans can still rest assured that a whole, food plant based provides both protein and essential fatty acids necessary for health and athletic performance, as we have plenty of other good examples.
Charity emailed Dave and he replied:
“My apologies in not getting back to you. I was a vegetarian through the 80's and reintroduced fish, chicken and turkey in 1992. My diet is primarily plant based as it has been for 30 years. I gravitate towards tuna and salmon and once a week have either chicken or turkey.
The media still publishes my image as a vegetarian………… and without asking, the truth is never told. I will always be a strong and steadfast proponent of a vegetarian diet.
Dave Scott ”
I don't know why Dave eats fish, presumably for essential fatty acids or protein. I doubt he's thinking he lacks in mercury contamination, but maybe. And as for the chicken and turkey, there's really not any good reason for that. Anyway, vegans can still rest assured that a whole, food plant based provides both protein and essential fatty acids necessary for health and athletic performance, as we have plenty of other good examples.
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Originally Posted by 7rider
says that our ancestors that descended from the trees evolved from vegetarians to meat eaters because they needed a source of energy for their larger braincases which in the case of modern man takes up 20% of our calories. Since our ancestors started eating more eat, they didn't need teeth or jaws as large as their plant chewing predecessors, the Governator notwithstanding.
I think I could scrape together enough calories to fuel my brain at pizza hut without any meat
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Studies have shown that on average a vegan eats more protein than do meat eaters. That's because they just plain eat more (as in more calories).
It's very hard to not get complete amino acids on a vegan diet. You have to subsist on grapefruit and twinkes, or something like that. As long as you are eating a varied diet, you will get all the amino acids you need.
Read Furhman's EAT TO LIVE and the CHINA STUDY (largest dietary study in history, chaired by Campbell out of Cornell). There are many misconceptions about diets.
Case in point, which has more protein: 100 calories of brocolli or 100 calories of steak?
Answer: 100 calories of brocolli has almost twice as much protein.
Steak and tomatoes are about even in protein, when measured calory wise.
Most people only know half truths, hearsay, and innuendo when it comes to diet.
Watching iron, however, is good advice for vegan endurance athletes. Cooking in an iron skillet solves that problem.
It's very hard to not get complete amino acids on a vegan diet. You have to subsist on grapefruit and twinkes, or something like that. As long as you are eating a varied diet, you will get all the amino acids you need.
Read Furhman's EAT TO LIVE and the CHINA STUDY (largest dietary study in history, chaired by Campbell out of Cornell). There are many misconceptions about diets.
Case in point, which has more protein: 100 calories of brocolli or 100 calories of steak?
Answer: 100 calories of brocolli has almost twice as much protein.
Steak and tomatoes are about even in protein, when measured calory wise.
Most people only know half truths, hearsay, and innuendo when it comes to diet.
Watching iron, however, is good advice for vegan endurance athletes. Cooking in an iron skillet solves that problem.
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Oh, vegans should also watch their B12 intake. There are very few non-animal sources of B12 (nutritional yeast, spirulina).
Past that just eat a varied diet.
Past that just eat a varied diet.
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
Oh, vegans should also watch their B12 intake. There are very few non-animal sources of B12 (nutritional yeast, spirulina).
Past that just eat a varied diet.
Past that just eat a varied diet.
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Originally Posted by ***Butch***
You can't be vegetarian and be putting in a lot of miles on the bike. There's simply no way around it. You need amino acids and protein from meat. Don't try to ramp up the miles/training time without adding some meat into your diet. You'll be doing irreversible physical damage.
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
Oh, vegans should also watch their B12 intake. There are very few non-animal sources of B12 (nutritional yeast, spirulina).
Past that just eat a varied diet.
Past that just eat a varied diet.
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Oh best tofu on the planet is Twin Oaks Tofu. This is the firmest tofu one can find and is just excellent.
