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So what if Sinkewitz doesn't opt to have his B sample tested?

Old 07-18-07, 08:43 AM
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So what if Sinkewitz doesn't opt to have his B sample tested?

According to Velo News, he must decide whether to have the B sample tested. If also found to be positive, he'll be sacked by his team. What are his options i.e. what happens if he opts not to have it tested? Anyone know?
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His only choice is probably whether to be present or have a representative when the B sample is opened and tested.

The only way to prevent testing the B sample might be to confess and even that is no guarantee.
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Originally Posted by Squint
His only choice is probably whether to be present or have a representative when the B sample is opened and tested.

The only way to prevent testing the B sample might be to confess and even that is no guarantee.
Yeah, I was wondering if a confession might lessen the penalty in some way. The article indicated that he had a decision to make relative to testing of the B sample.
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Originally Posted by whitemax
Yeah, I was wondering if a confession might lessen the penalty in some way. The article indicated that he had a decision to make relative to testing of the B sample.
Well, if the rule is still that it isn't a positive until both the A & B samples are positive then it wouldn't make sense to let the rider prevent the testing of the B sample.
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Originally Posted by Squint
Well, if the rule is still that it isn't a positive until both the A & B samples are positive then it wouldn't make sense to let the rider prevent the testing of the B sample.
Logical assumption, that is why I am wondering why the article stated that he had a decision to make.
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If the rider decides that the B sample is probably positive, he can skip that step and go straight to "A & B are positive".

It's like skipping a breathalyzer - if you skip, it's the same as a positive.

hope this helps,
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This may add some credibility to the Landis case if there's some wacky readings, lab work, etc. The testosterone science is not clear cut and the more this pops up, the more that can be learned.
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing

It's like skipping a breathalyzer - if you skip, it's the same as a positive.
but it's not many places.
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Originally Posted by jschatz
This may add some credibility to the Landis case if there's some wacky readings, lab work, etc. The testosterone science is not clear cut and the more this pops up, the more that can be learned.
Worst thing is Floyd's sample wasn't even a positive in most countries. So had that test been done pretty much anywhere but france there wouldn't have been an issue.

Was this the same lab that tested Floyd's?
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If you don't opt to have the B sample tested, you are accepting the results of the A sample - in essence pleading guilty... or more accurately not putting up a defense.
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If this rider was innocent, wouldn't he come out to the media immediately to say he is and have the B sample tested?

*EDIT - I didn't see this:

Adds Sinkewitz' reaction:

“Me? Why me? I don't know anything about it. This can't be,” was his reaction, reported in German on-line sports magazine Kicker. “I am due to have an operation and I can't think about it now.”
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott
If you don't opt to have the B sample tested, you are accepting the results of the A sample - in essence pleading guilty... or more accurately not putting up a defense.
So why would one not press for the B sample to be tested even if the rider knows he doped? There's always a hope and a prayer for the possibility that it won't come up positive for one reason or another.
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I guess we'll see if he willingly ponies up the year salary since he signed the new document. I'm still surprised he measured 24:1 though. That has to be a lot.
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Originally Posted by whitemax
So why would one not press for the B sample to be tested even if the rider knows he doped? There's always a hope and a prayer for the possibility that it won't come up positive for one reason or another.
Because there's a much higher possibility that it'll show the same result and you will have wasted a lot of people's time, energy, and money. Most riders do test the B sample and I remember the last time I looked I found two times that an A was overturned by a B - apparently legitimate overturns as opposed to technicalities or irregular testing procedures.
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Originally Posted by mixtery
If this rider was innocent, wouldn't he come out to the media immediately to say he is and have the B sample tested?

*EDIT - I didn't see this:

Adds Sinkewitz' reaction:

“Me? Why me? I don't know anything about it. This can't be,” was his reaction, reported in German on-line sports magazine Kicker. “I am due to have an operation and I can't think about it now.”
He must have read the Floyd Landis book of denial. Me? Why Me is what someone says who is angry that he was caught. It is also telling as to the number of riders who are still doping, even in this Tour. And if leads credence to the fact that the T-Mobile plan may not be working as well as I and others had hoped.

Makes you wonder: did he crash on purpose, hoping for a medical out in order not to face the scrutiny?
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Most athletes test the 'B' to delay the inevitable and give themselves more time to plan a defense. Marion Jones is the only person I can think of in a loooong time that had a 'B' sample return negative.
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+1 to if you skip the b test = positive. Does this kind of choice sound familiar: If you're a witch, you'll swim and then we'll kill you. If you're not a witch, you can't swim and you'll drown.
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Originally Posted by Dubbayoo
Most athletes test the 'B' to delay the inevitable and give themselves more time to plan a defense. Marion Jones is the only person I can think of in a loooong time that had a 'B' sample return negative.
Sure doesn't happen very often - I was remembering F. Guidi from Phonak:

Guidi's B test negative
The Phonak Cycling Team was informed by Swiss Cycling that Fabrizio Guidi's B test, taken on September 21, 2005, in connection with an out-of-competition check ahead of the Hamburg Cyclassics ProTour race has come back negative for EPO. Therefore, the team has announced that the proceedings against the 33 year-old Italian will be stopped. The team's temporary suspension against Guidi was lifted immediately after the announcement on Friday afternoon.
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Since the WADA rules prohibit the authorities for outing someone that fails a doping control until they either decline a B sample testing or the B sample confirms the A sample we wouldn't routinely hear about failed A samples unsubstantiated by the B samples. Marion Jones is a perfect example of how this privacy rules can fail. Her A sample tested positive for EPO, the lab leaked the results and a scandal ensued. Her B sample was clean and she was cleared. Had the lab not leaked the A sample results the public would have never learned of the failed A sample. Landis is an example of a leaked A sample confirmed by a subsequent B sample failure. Only upon failure of the B sample should the public been aware of who failed.

To say that this happens rarely is absurd in that this situation is kept mostly secret by WADA and its labs. WADA does not release these statistics and does not allow the labs to release their information. The public should never know of a failed A sample followed by a clean B sample.
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Originally Posted by Trevor98
Since the WADA rules prohibit the authorities for outing someone that fails a doping control until they either decline a B sample testing or the B sample confirms the A sample we wouldn't routinely hear about failed A samples unsubstantiated by the B samples. Marion Jones is a perfect example of how this privacy rules can fail. Her A sample tested positive for EPO, the lab leaked the results and a scandal ensued. Her B sample was clean and she was cleared. Had the lab not leaked the A sample results the public would have never learned of the failed A sample. Landis is an example of a leaked A sample confirmed by a subsequent B sample failure. Only upon failure of the B sample should the public been aware of who failed.

To say that this happens rarely is absurd in that this situation is kept mostly secret by WADA and its labs. WADA does not release these statistics and does not allow the labs to release their information. The public should never know of a failed A sample followed by a clean B sample.
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