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"I don't really care about the component crap"

Old 08-06-07, 01:33 PM
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"I don't really care about the component crap"

I just had to share this. I was at the bike shop the other day, checking out bikes for my girlfriend. I noticed a sales guy talking to a girl who was looking at the bikes. I couldn't help but listen in on the conversation. She said her budget was $1,000 to start and wanted to see what she could get for that amount of money. He started to tell her that the main difference she'd see at that price range would be in components, since she'll mainly be looking at aluminum frames for $1,000, to which she replied, "I don't care about the component crap."

Now, is it just me, or does it seem like anyone who is willing to part with $1,000 for a bike really should care about the components, even if they don't know the difference to begin with? It just kind of baffled me, as, if I were a newbie and getting ready to spend a lot of money on a bike (granted $1,000 isn't THAT much), I'd want to know what my $1,000 was getting me.

She was smoking hot, though.
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Old 08-06-07, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bpohl View Post

She was smoking hot, though.
After she said that, that was all the salesman was thinking about too
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I overhear all kinds of crazy stuff at my LBS. Just the other day I was at Performance Bike and there was a woman in there complaining that the bike she just bought her son had two flats and that she spent a lot of money on that bike and she didn't think it should have had two flats.
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Originally Posted by bpohl View Post
She was smoking hot, though.
I would guess that she rolls through life on her looks, rather than her wits...
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Originally Posted by bpohl View Post
She was smoking hot, though.
Without pictures we have to assume she did not really exist.....sorry
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To be fair, the girl had a point. $1000 bikes at the LBS all have pretty similar components. If you're working within a budget, knowing that a little more $ would get you a blingier whatsit is hardly relevant. What would matter is how the bike fits, feels and possibly how it looks. While being an educated consumer is a good thing, we all obsess way to much about components.
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I don't find that all that surprising, actually. For instance, you can easily spend $1,000+ on a new computer. Do you brush up on the differences between the different types of memory? Monitor technology? Drive speed? Or do you just want to take the thing home and have it work? I'm going to guess that 99% of the population falls into the latter category. She just wants a bike that works and that fits her needs. Finding her needs is the job of any good salesman; blathering on about the latest technology is going to go right over her, and virtually everybody else's, head.
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Originally Posted by SDRider View Post
I overhear all kinds of crazy stuff at my LBS. Just the other day I was at Performance Bike and there was a woman in there complaining that the bike she just bought her son had two flats and that she spent a lot of money on that bike and she didn't think it should have had two flats.
aha... she obviously was scammed into buying a defective bike.
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Old 08-06-07, 01:44 PM
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In terms of cost-performance, she's absolutely right.

There's little to no difference between component sets around that price range. You will see small differences in weight and very small differences in drive train efficiency, and maybe small differences in shift feel.

Most people would be simply better off simply picking the bike up with their hand to get an overall feel of the bike's total weight and "quality of components".
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Old 08-06-07, 01:48 PM
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well....I can believe it because I said exactly the same thing...

"my budget is $1000....I want a good frame and wheelset...I don't really care about the components"

this is because I fully intended to strip/sell the components and switch it to campy.....

maybe she was doing the same?
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Originally Posted by aballas View Post
well....I can believe it because I said exactly the same thing...

"my budget is $1000....I want a good frame and wheelset...I don't really care about the components"

this is because I fully intended to strip/sell the components and switch it to campy.....

maybe she was doing the same?
A hot girl who likes Campy? Wow.
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Originally Posted by Indolent58 View Post
A hot girl who likes Campy? Wow.
I know a few...
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Old 08-06-07, 01:57 PM
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If I were making that sale and heard her comment on the components..I'd have immediately switched to, "So...what's your favorite color?"..."I think this one brings out your eyes"...

Fact: #1 reason consumers choose one bike over another is color.
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Fact: #1 reason consumers choose one bike over another is color.
so true. against my advice, i have sold higher end skis, bikes, and sports gear to people who had little to no experience. they just liked the color. sold some k2 burnin' luvs (ski aimed at expert women skiiers) to some 17 year old that had never skied. i must have told her parents 20 times the ill effects of such a stiff, strong ski for beginners, but she wanted that color. she didn't come back in that whole season, so i can only imagine she couldn't turn em, didn't enjoy skiing, and gave it up. that was one of the only parts of the job i didn't like.
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Originally Posted by Indolent58 View Post
To be fair, the girl had a point. $1000 bikes at the LBS all have pretty similar components. If you're working within a budget, knowing that a little more $ would get you a blingier whatsit is hardly relevant. What would matter is how the bike fits, feels and possibly how it looks. While being an educated consumer is a good thing, we all obsess way to much about components.
Exactly what I was thinking. At the $1K mark, the components will *generally* be comperable across the board. At that point, the frame is probably one of the most important things you can consider in the purchase.
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Exactly what I was thinking. At the $1K mark, the components will *generally* be comperable across the board. At that point, the frame is probably one of the most important things you can consider in the purchase.

I disagree - at $1k, the frames will be nearly identical items, probably cranked out of the same Taiwanese factory. But the difference among bikes will be new Tiagra vs. old Tiagra vs. 105...

IMO, etc...
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Not to worry, that bike will be on sale on Craigslist for pennies on the dollar before long.
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I would be shocked if .01% of the people purchasing a new bike could

1) tell the difference between new, well-tuned component sets in a blind test
2) provide the difference in weight in grams between the various component groups
and
3) state the mechanical efficiency differences between each


Americans are primarily sold options and features in lieu of quality. It's by far the biggest screwer of American consumers -- the idea that selection is far more important quality. Burger King does it your way. Starbucks coffee is simple coffee plus a myriad of options. American breakfasts are better because they come with a million questions about how I like my eggs and my coffee, toast or bagel, etc. Traditional roads bars are best because you have more places to put your hands -- even if those options make you go slower and are uncomfortable.
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I won't buy a bike because of color, but I will decide to NOT buy a bike based on color. It's not a deal-maker, but it can be a deal-breaker.
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Originally Posted by Phantoj View Post
I disagree - at $1k, the frames will be nearly identical items, probably cranked out of the same Taiwanese factory. But the difference among bikes will be new Tiagra vs. old Tiagra vs. 105...

IMO, etc...
I'm referring to all aluminum, aluminum with carbon seatstays, carbon fork or alloy fork, different geometries, sizing, etc. Those are most important. Individual components can (and always will) be upgraded.
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I'm referring to all aluminum, aluminum with carbon seatstays, carbon fork or alloy fork, different geometries, sizing, etc. Those are most important. Individual components can (and always will) be upgraded.
Still disagree. No aluminum forks anymore on $1k bikes. Carbon stays? IMO, unimportant. Size? It needs to fit, of course. And it matters whether it's racey or comfort oriented (OCR vs. TCR).

By weight, and by value, most of a $1k bike is its components. You can get a Kinesis carbon-stay frame from Nashbar for $200 right now. How much is a set of 10-speed 105 brake-shifters?
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I can understand how this girl doesn't care about components.


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I don't find that all that surprising, actually. For instance, you can easily spend $1,000+ on a new computer. Do you brush up on the differences between the different types of memory? Monitor technology? Drive speed?
Well yes, and much much more.
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not sure one needs the top end of componentry. But, the lower end, I'd stay away from. Cheap stuff does not last worth a darn.
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Originally Posted by Indolent58 View Post
A hot girl who likes Campy? Wow.
Isn't it the other way around? A girl who likes Campy is hot?

...or Shimano....or SRAM....

I'm asking because I have been married long enough to no longer have any concept of what is hot....except for my wife of course...if you're reading this I love you honey....
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