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Old 08-09-07, 03:41 PM
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Wheelset for larger rider?

I am 6'4" and weigh 200 pounds. I ride 18-20mph for 50+ mile rides and hit the hills and sprints hard.

Can anyone recommend a good, light wheelset that can handle my weight/power combination?

Here are a few I am thinking about:

Rolf Prima Vigor RL
Zipp 404 Clydesdale
Mavic Ksyrium ES

Thoughts on those? Better recommendations?
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I am 6'5" and around 210. I race a lot and race on Cosmic Carbones with tubulars. Not the lightest but very solid for big guys.

For training I have gone through many many wheel sets. Personaly I would give the ksyriums a miss. Not sure about the other two though. At our height and weight we are really pushing the limits with wanting light weight and strength.

I currently have a 32 spoke training wheel. 1 year old and approx just over 10 000 miles. Never needed truing once. They are record hubs, a non branded rim (easton circuit drilled for 32) and butted DT spokes. THe rims are used in a few other wheels sets from other companies. Not sure of the weight as the total bike is around 7.5kg depending on the wheels. (only ever put the complete bike on scales)

in my opinion you need to stay away from an eyeleted rim and real low spoke areo jobs. I have spent money on these things when I knew I should not have, only to destroy the rims.
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I have neuvations r28's and they're awesome. I rode them hard in downtown chicago for a year, and now in beautiful Jersey. The roads are even rougher than downtown chi-town. I've only had to true a slight 2mm wobble out with a slight turn of two spokes. They're light, aero, look cool, and are the best value out there. They're a bit finicky when trying to mount continental brand clinchers. But I've gone to Hutchinson fusion comps, and they're the best clincher tire I've ridden (that aren't 60+ bucks each)
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You might want to try the Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) forum; I'm sure there are some guys in there who have been through this trial and error.
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These for races/fast group rides or for everything?
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Im not a small guy either. My best wheelset ever was a handbuilt set with Chorus hubs, CXP30 rims and 15ga straight spokes. Heavy? You bet! Bulletproof? Yup. Maintenance issues? Not a one. I cranked out countless thosands of miles on those wheels before i went 9sp last year. Never ever had to have them trued.

Guess what im sayin is go hand built and pick smart components. You cant get CXP30 rims new anymore, but Velocity still makes a 30mm rim. A set of forged hubs from campy or shimano and some stout Wheelsmith spokes should make a soild wheel for training.

Call me old skool, but i cant help wonder why more riders dont train on the heavist stuff they got.
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I'm 6'6" and 225 and I have a set of AC Hurricanes for training rides and a set of AC 420's with bladed spokes for those special days. I very satisfied with both sets.
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Im about 235ish.. Ive ridden so many wheels over the last year, its crazy and all have been pretty good. Here's a quick rundown.

Mavic Ksyrium Elites - Rode the crap out of them.. had to touch them once on the rear wheel and it was REALLY minor.. I only had it trued cuz I was at the shop taking a class and the guy needed a wheel to true.

Mavic Cosmic Elites - I put a fair amount of miles on these wheels and the rear lost tension for no reason and the wheel went out of true. This after they'd been hanging on the wall for like 2 months and getting 0 use. Mavic warrantied them, no questions asked, tho.

Nuevation M28 Aero 2s - Good wheels, reasonably stiff, great customer service from John.

Fulcrum 1s - Best wheel Ive owned. Stiff, great hubs, roll forever and have stayed true. Downside, spokes are REALLY expensive and hard to get.

Mike Garcia Niobium 30s on Speedcific hubs - Junk.. front wheel clicked from day 1, rear lost tension for no reason. Worst customer service Ive dealt with in the cycling industry.

Powertap wheels (DT Swiss RR 1.2 rims, Powertap rear, Ultegra front) - Bulletproof and heavy

DT Swiss RR 1.2s with Chris King Hubs - These were just built for me by a local shop. I had to take the wheels elsewhere to have them checked and the front wheel had some spokes out of tension but so far Im liking these wheels. I expected the King hubs to be noisier but they do roll about as good as the Fulcrum hubs, even new and apparently the King hubs break in after 1000 miles or so.

Hope that helps.
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Rolf Prima Vigor RS are rated for a 230LB rider. I have 2K on the set I got this year and have been very happy with them.
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Not as fancy as JayC's Fulcrum 1's but I have been riding Fulcrum 3's and just like the 1 they are bloody amazing 10,000 miles later and they are as good as new, never had to touch them other than to clean them, live in Ireland so loads of rain and grit.
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Originally Posted by JayC View Post
Im about 235ish.. Ive ridden so many wheels over the last year, its crazy and all have been pretty good. Here's a quick rundown.

Mavic Ksyrium Elites - Rode the crap out of them.. had to touch them once on the rear wheel and it was REALLY minor.. I only had it trued cuz I was at the shop taking a class and the guy needed a wheel to true.

Mavic Cosmic Elites - I put a fair amount of miles on these wheels and the rear lost tension for no reason and the wheel went out of true. This after they'd been hanging on the wall for like 2 months and getting 0 use. Mavic warrantied them, no questions asked, tho.

Nuevation M28 Aero 2s - Good wheels, reasonably stiff, great customer service from John.

Fulcrum 1s - Best wheel Ive owned. Stiff, great hubs, roll forever and have stayed true. Downside, spokes are REALLY expensive and hard to get.

Mike Garcia Niobium 30s on Speedcific hubs - Junk.. front wheel clicked from day 1, rear lost tension for no reason. Worst customer service Ive dealt with in the cycling industry.

Powertap wheels (DT Swiss RR 1.2 rims, Powertap rear, Ultegra front) - Bulletproof and heavy

DT Swiss RR 1.2s with Chris King Hubs - These were just built for me by a local shop. I had to take the wheels elsewhere to have them checked and the front wheel had some spokes out of tension but so far Im liking these wheels. I expected the King hubs to be noisier but they do roll about as good as the Fulcrum hubs, even new and apparently the King hubs break in after 1000 miles or so.

Hope that helps.
I see the Fulcrums don't have spoke holes. That was a BIG selling point for my Ksyrium Elites. These are a step up. I may get myself a pair for Christmas. Looks like an 8+ ounce weight savings too. That would put my lil bike right at 15 lbs.
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Originally Posted by Dubbayoo View Post
I see the Fulcrums don't have spoke holes. That was a BIG selling point for my Ksyrium Elites. These are a step up. I may get myself a pair for Christmas. Looks like an 8+ ounce weight savings too. That would put my lil bike right at 15 lbs.
You wont be disappointed.. they are a great wheelset. The hubs are more annoying than the King hubs tho.. very loud with the traditional click freehub sound.
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Old 08-10-07, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DesFlurane View Post
These for races/fast group rides or for everything?
Fast group rides mostly. 3-4 per week.
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Velocity Deep Vs. I know tons of bigger riders, including myself with these. In fact I'm going to build a new set for my LeMond this weekend.

You can use these for anything - I commute on them, ride centuries, hill climb. They're also popular for track racing and even cyclocross.

I'm building my 2nd set on some old school dura-ace hubs and DT swiss DB comp spokes. Despite some marginal increase in weight, I fully expect to haul ass (assuming I build them properly).
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I'm 6'-3", 240-ish, similar riding style and mileage.

I had Specialized Roval Eschappes, and notched the hub within 300 miles. Took two weeks to get any replacement spokes from the Specialized 'elite' dealers in town. Not good. They're history now.

New wheels are handbuilts. Dura Ace hubs, Deep V wheels, 32/28 spokes, 3-cross. They're stiff, bomb-proof and as light as I need for training wheels. Best part, if I ever break a spoke I can go into any shop and get it fixed immediately.
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Originally Posted by smurf hunter View Post
Velocity Deep Vs. I know tons of bigger riders, including myself with these. In fact I'm going to build a new set for my LeMond this weekend.

You can use these for anything - I commute on them, ride centuries, hill climb. They're also popular for track racing and even cyclocross.

I'm building my 2nd set on some old school dura-ace hubs and DT swiss DB comp spokes. Despite some marginal increase in weight, I fully expect to haul ass (assuming I build them properly).
I had originally intended to use Deep Vs on my last build and every wheel builder I talked to steered me towards the DT RR 1.2s. Yea, they are heavier but apparently they are a much better rim.
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Originally Posted by chicagokk View Post
Can anyone recommend a good, light wheelset that can handle my weight/power combination?
1st: your power has nothing to do with wheel durability. Pedaling torque doesn't raise spoke tensions anywhere near as much as hitting a big bump or swinging the bike out of the saddle.

Good suggestions above. I'd stay away from Bontragers -- ******** engineering there. Mavics are nothing special (not light, aero, or durable). I like the Zipps a lot.

If you're not hung up on spending a ton of money, some Velocity Fusion or Deep Vs laced to a nice hub with 32 d-b spokes would make some really durable and fast wheels. I race a 36h Deep V, and it doesn't hold me back a bit.
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Originally Posted by FatguyRacer View Post
Im not a small guy either. My best wheelset ever was a handbuilt set with Chorus hubs, CXP30 rims and 15ga straight spokes. Heavy? You bet! Bulletproof? Yup. Maintenance issues? Not a one. I cranked out countless thosands of miles on those wheels before i went 9sp last year. Never ever had to have them trued.

Guess what im sayin is go hand built and pick smart components. You cant get CXP30 rims new anymore, but Velocity still makes a 30mm rim. A set of forged hubs from campy or shimano and some stout Wheelsmith spokes should make a soild wheel for training.

Call me old skool, but i cant help wonder why more riders dont train on the heavist stuff they got.
I am not a lightweight but My wheel builder build wheels for Clydesdales. The same as I have. CXP33 rims- 105 hubs- 36 spokes crossed x 2 and these wheels are bombproof. Cost in comparison to a "Branded" wheel is a lot less- ride is a lot more comfortable and as I have said- they are bombproof.

Find a wheel builder or 3 and talk to them about a "Training" wheel.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
If you're not hung up on spending a ton of money, some Velocity Fusion or Deep Vs laced to a nice hub with 32 d-b spokes would make some really durable and fast wheels. I race a 36h Deep V, and it doesn't hold me back a bit.
I'll pitch in a couple positives here:

* I'm 200ish, and have been riding Velocity Fusions for a few thousand miles. They've been bombproof. They are Velocity hubs, 28/32 spokes. Got em for under $300 at http://spinlitecycling.com/velocity-wheels.html -- bottom of the page. I commute on them, and haven't even blinked about keeping them true.

* Just swapped some emails with the SpinLite guys, asking about a lighter wheelset. They suggested the Fusion rim with Dura Ace hubs, 1600ish grams, $500ish. They cautioned against the Velocity hubs at our weight.

* I also swapped some emails with Velocity, and they also recommended the Fusion rim.


hope that helps--
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Originally Posted by superdex View Post
I'll pitch in a couple positives here:

* I'm 200ish, and have been riding Velocity Fusions for a few thousand miles. They've been bombproof. They are Velocity hubs, 28/32 spokes. Got em for under $300 at http://spinlitecycling.com/velocity-wheels.html -- bottom of the page. I commute on them, and haven't even blinked about keeping them true.

* Just swapped some emails with the SpinLite guys, asking about a lighter wheelset. They suggested the Fusion rim with Dura Ace hubs, 1600ish grams, $500ish. They cautioned against the Velocity hubs at our weight.

* I also swapped some emails with Velocity, and they also recommended the Fusion rim.


hope that helps--
Yeah, my 36h Deep-V is a common tandem wheel I wanted the slightly deeper section though (looks and aero).
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I just pulled the trigger on some Easton EA90 SL's (Orion II replacements). I got a good deal on Ebay for $500. I will SERIOUSLY put these wheels to the test at 280lbs. Hell if they fail they failEaston claims that there is no weight limit for these wheels or the Circuits. We shall see. If they do fail I most certainly will mention what they told me and see if amnesia will prevail.
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Has anyone had experience with the Spinergy Carbon with PBO spokes? I am a clincher guy for daily rims.
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5 years on a set of CXP-33's with Hugi hubs and, have never needed truing. I weigh 200 lbs. Awesome wheelset.
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