pgoat

I use either on my road bikes and, yes, I will eventually in all likelihood switch to looks or another three-hole road pedal.

But for now I am using these with my shoes, which fit my feet well (I am a difficult fit). I started with the frogs because they were touted as easy to clip out of ( important to me as they were my first clipless peds) . They certainly were easy to get out of but I had some issues getting in at first. Now I can stomp and go but the lack of a click is still worrisome to me.

I tried the Quattros since my wife kept raving about hers. I definitely prefer the audible click you get when engaging and the lack of float (relative to the frogs) hasn't bothered me. Best of all the larger platform has pretty much eliminated hotspots which were a problem for me with the Frogs.

it may sound like an easy choice, but i really do feel safer with the ease of exit on the Frogs. I've never commuted in Manhattan with clipless, but would be less scared to with the frogs than the Quattros. I can get out of the right foot okay with the quattros, but it takes effort, and have a LOT of trouble with my left foot. I usually have to rotate my left heel IN towards the bike to disengage.

My biggest issue with the frogs is finding a good stiff two-hole shoe that fits me well and can avoid hot spots. I've used them with Specialized sonoma touring shoes (recessed, basically nothing between foot and cleat = hot spots in about 5 mins of riding) and tried specialized mtb shoes but the cleat placesment was too foreward and medial for me.

anyone else have experiences to share with these two models?

Hocam

Just got a pair of frogs and have only done about 20 miles with them, planning a longer ride tomorrow. The float is great, no knee trouble as of yet (knock on wood) and it is weird to just turn your foot and be out of the cleat. I came from SPDs which were a definitive click, so it is a little bizare but I really like them. As long as I know my feet are turned a little bit inward I'm confident enough to sprint and climb out of the saddle.

pgoat

I did get used to the iceskating effect with the frogs when standing but I prefer the firmness of the quattros. I can see how those knees that need more float would love the frogs.

BHBiker

what are speedplay frogs? I am only familiar with the Zeros. Thanks

Metaluna

I've tried Frogs, CB Quattros, and Time ATACs (very similar cleat design to Crank Bros). I have not had problems with hotspots, but the lack of non-centering float on the CB/Time pedals basically killed the deal for me. I always had some knee pain after a few miles (the ATACs were slightly better than the Quattros). The lack of real float wouldn't be too bad if CB/Time would bother to put some effort into making their cleats rotationally adjustable, as I could then fix the cleat at a good neutral angle for me (I need my heels out a bit).

The Frogs of course have all the float you could wish for, and on top of that even have a rotationally adjustable cleat. But I found the cleat connection to be just a bit too insecure. The problem is not the pedaling on ice feeling, but the lack of any warning that you're about to disengage. I've pulled out accidentally several times. Having logged several thousand miles on the Speedplay road pedals, I'm usually pretty good at keeping my feet from wobbling around too much, but it only takes a momentary lapse and your foot is suddenly flying off the pedal. Also, the cleat-pedal connection just clicks and moves around too much for me, even when the cleats are firmly engaged. Maybe I just have a faulty set.

Anyway, I'm trying out Bebops right now. So far (40mi) they seem great. They seem to have the best of both worlds between the Frogs and X's. I need to get a few hundred miles on them though and see how they are. If these don't work out I'll have to go back to road pedals (either Speedplay or LOOK).

daddystheman

I was having some knee pain about a year ago so I switched to Frogs. With my SPDs I used those Lamond wedges and all sorts of crazy pedal/cleat configurations to finally relieve the pain. When I switched to the Frogs (w/o the wedges), it was like night and day. I prefer the firm, locked-in feel of the SPDs but I've gotten used to the loosey-goosey feel of the Frogs. I have probably 1500 miles on them now and I wouldn't go back.