Here is a link to skatelog.com forum where a cyclist/speedskater lives in the neighborhood:


http://www.skatelogforum.com/forums/...ead.php?t=4895

i was so thinking the same thing! funny. later.

That's nuts. I would be so scared.

"Thats why I dont ride my bike on the main streets anymore! Get going 40-50 mph, someones on a cell phone, BAM, I"m history!!"

I was run down in a bike lane by a BMW driver in 1990. A witness got the licence plate number.
The driver was charged with leaving the scene of an accident, driving in an improper lane and dangerous driving.

He showed up to court with a lawyer in a nice suit, after 30 seconds private discussion with the crown attorney, the charges were dropped to driving in an improper lane, $53 fine. The judge did not even want to hear my testimony. When I then called this situation a farce, I was fined $100 contempt of court.

If you want to murder someone and get away with it, get in car and run them down when they get on a bike.

Then chase her/the driver down, next time, if you can. Drivers who cut people off/drive dangerously around here are often chased down by their victims, and usually the result is that the reckless driver, at the very least, learns that they can't get away with that sh*t. We are part of the traffic as well, and not letting a driver get away with reckless driving without a little talking to is simply letting problem drivers (and, for the most part, drivers in society as a whole) off the hook. The more drivers become aware that they need to respect cyclists on the road and our rights to the road, eventually there will be greater punishment ftom the law when accidents happen, and hopefully there will be far fewer instances of sh*tty drivers threatening cyclists lives.

What state did this happen in?

Thats pretty messed up. Also considering they are doing it regularly you would think a driver would have learned by now to be more careful when pulling out.
On a side note I find it very interesting the difference between the posts here and here
Is there any point to A&S section? Every time I accidentally click on it, it's the same *****ing and whining.

There is an article about this on "Floridatoday.com". According to the article, this was a group of about 40 guys who race in a pack through an urban neighborhood at speeds of 30 mph to 35 mph. The driver was pulling out of an apartment complex driveway into the street. Neighbors say the view of a driver from that driveway might be obscured by the parked cars on the street.

As the car pulled out, the pack, moving at 30 mph, piled into the car. And the bikes in back piled into the bikes in front. The driver got a ticket for not yielding the right of way to the cyclists.

I think the story MUST have been invented by a reporter who abuses drugs (Note to DocRay, who is working on his 4th grade "learn to read" project...I don't really think the reporter invented this story...there probable ARE 40 cyclists who combine the amount of astounding amount of stupidity and arrogance that the story describes).

But, I've never met a cyclist who thought it was safe and sensible to ride in a pack of 40 riders at 30 mph through an urban neighborhood. Parked cars, driveways every thirty feet, kids playing, old ladies crossing the street, cars passing and making right turns into your path, oncoming cars making left turns into your path...there might be something more dangerous than a pack of bikes riding at 30 mph through an urban neighborhood, but I can't think of what it is.

When I ride through such a neighborhood, I'm happy to be going 10 mph or 15 mph. When a kid walks out from between a parked car (and he will) or a car passes me and turns into a driveway directly in front of me (and he will) it is easy for me to slow down and not get hurt, or hurt someone else.

Sue the driver? The driver is entitled to a jury trial. If the news story about the behavior of the cyclists is true, I don't think there is any jury in Florida that will be feeling like giving them ten cents.

A state of disbelief.

Call the bike lawyer.

The driver and his insurance company can still be sued to cover damages and other costs.

given that you have no evidence of this, that's makes Alanian sense.

No injury, no damage to the bike. I was bunted onto a grassy knoll.
I was simply an inconvenience for a driver looking to pass a few cars waiting to turn.
Given the fine, he'll do it again, hell, why not?

Perhaps a state with a Crown's attorney :eek: Must have been prior to the revolutionary war. Or perhaps not in the US at all. I would guess Canada, but it could be any other country with a common law legal system and currency called "dollars."

My neighbor was hit pretty badly last summer, this ladie was making a turn to the beach parking lot, she cut him right off, she hit him pretty bad, she watched him on the ground, they made eye contact, she proceeded to continue parking her car, got out of the car while he layed there on the road with broken ribs, she open her trunk, got out her beach chair and cooler and walked right by him to go to the beach.

He witness the whole thing while others called for an ambulance.
Once they got there, he pointed the car to them, police came and got her off the beach.
Went to court, she argued she never saw him and she got a slap on the wrist and a small fine.

Miami (that's in Cuba).

There are a variety of stories about the incident in the press:

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc.../70829023/1086

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http://www.nbc6.net/news/13997516/de...s=ami&psp=news

And there is a video new report showing the remains of the bikes, and interviewing witnesses:

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http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=149887

I was hit by a taxi while biking on a marked bike route (in NYC, we have bike lanes as well as "Share the Road" bike routes). The road was too narrow to pass and the taxi decided he didn't want to wait the four blocks (about 60 seconds) until it widened. He honks once, hits me from behind. I go flying to the ground. Fortunately, I was fine, and the bike was fine. He drives off, but in Brownstone Brooklyn, there are always old people sitting on their front stoops. Several people got the medallion number of the driver.

I called 9-1-1, but since I was not injured, they told me to file a report at the local precinct. At the police station, they just said, no, there's nothing we're going to do about it. It happens all the time, but if he does this to you again, then you should file a report! I said, since he made contact, isn't this a hit and run, and they said yes, but we still can't do anything about it.

The only recourse I had was to file a complaint with the Taxi and Limousine Commission. At least, this way the driver has to take the time off to come to a hearing and be yelled at by me. I guess he could be fined, but I had to take a day off work just to do this. Fortunately, I got all the old people who witnessed the event to all file separate complaints too, so he has to go five or six separate hearings as we all received different hearing times (we all called separately). If the driver does not show, he is found guilty automatically.

Hit and run, no recourse.

More about this mysterious country here:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33442

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29533

I understand and support the citation for violation of right of way for the motorist.

But, something just occurred to me... In a situation like this, wouldn't several cyclists be subject to citations for following too closely?

If the SUV had pulled in front of a car and caused a pile-up of 11 cars, I am sure that at least some of those 11 cars would have been cited for following too closely...

Good point. This is very pertinent to the issue of racing on public streets or roads, which is what many group rides turn into. What is hypocritical is that while we rightly decry street racing by teenage hoods in rice rockets, we are loathe to admit that racing in a tight pack of a dozen or more cyclists is essentially the same phenomenon (though, admittedly, with a lower degree of potential destruction or danger).

What's the answer? Racing/group rides only on closed courses? That doesn't really seem feasible. What do you think?

If the riders were in the same lane as the parked cars (highly unlikely in a group of 40, but I'll play devil's advocate here), they would have made it difficult if not impossible for the driver to see them coming. Note, that does not mean they were at fault, but that they may have made the situation dangerous for themselves to begin with. That's why I take the driving lane when i can't get at least 3' clearance between me and parked cars. I don't know about other states, but in CA the laws do allow that discretion on the part of the cyclist.

Once again, I doubt a group of 40 cyclists would be using a cycling/parking lane with parked cars, but I just wanted to point out how other unknowing people may view this.

Tsk tsk...one would think better of the Canadian court system....

You're obviously not from Miami.

BTW -- I feel for the guys in the crash, I really do. I do a twice-weekly "hard ride" that's very similar to the one they were on, the only difference is within five minutes of departing we're out in the countryside where there's little traffic.

After reading both stories and watching the video, my sympathy is with the poor guy was just trying to pull out of his driveway. Where would you find 40 guys dumb enough to race as a pack at 30 mph through a residential neighborhood during afternoon rush hour? Oh, yeah...in Miami.

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc.../70829023/1086

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http://www.nbc6.net/news/13997516/de...s=ami&psp=news

The video news report shows the remains of the bikes, and has interviews with witnesses:

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http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=149887