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How much longer should I give my toupe?

Old 09-06-07, 06:44 PM
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How much longer should I give my toupe?

So I got a new toupe about a month ago. I put about 200 miles on it, and it's still killing my sit bones if I ride for more than 20 miles. How much longer should I give the break-in before changing, yet again.

Note: This is my first time on a 130mm saddle. I didn't really get fitted on the ass-o-meter but I just assumed I needed something smaller than a 143mm since I have a pretty small body overall (127lbs). The thing is, I'm not sore on the ends of my sit bones - it's a little bit father in, closer to my perineum. Should I have stayed with a 143mm?
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Get a brooks b17 narrow, problem solved. Plastic saddles don't break in.
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Not sure about you, but I found that my first Toupe didn't work. I started with a 143mm and was getting pain on the outside of my sit bones. This went on for about 2 weeks and then I said screw it and tried a 130mm. That one worked pretty well right away. To this day the sit ones get a it sore, but all I need to do is stand for a few secs and I'm good to go. You might want to try the bigger size and see how that goes.
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Originally Posted by F = MA
So I got a new toupe about a month ago. I put about 200 miles on it, and it's still killing my sit bones if I ride for more than 20 miles. How much longer should I give the break-in before changing, yet again.

Note: This is my first time on a 130mm saddle. I didn't really get fitted on the ass-o-meter but I just assumed I needed something smaller than a 143mm since I have a pretty small body overall (127lbs). The thing is, I'm not sore on the ends of my sit bones - it's a little bit father in, closer to my perineum. Should I have stayed with a 143mm?
Hard to tell without knowing your dimensions. I would try an ass-o-meter. My Alias broke in after about 400-500 miles. Now I can ride it all day without any issues.
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Ha ha, I thought you were talking about a toupée.
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my toupe was a perfect match from day 1. if your sit bones hurt i would try a 143. just because your skinny doesnt mean your sit bones arent wider. There is no correlation between the 2.
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I ain't got no stinkin' toupe.
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is it 'toop' or 'too-pay'?
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Originally Posted by djbowen1
just because your skinny doesnt mean your sit bones arent wider. There is no correlation between the 2.
Correct...
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Originally Posted by F = MA
So I got a new toupe about a month ago. I put about 200 miles on it, and it's still killing my sit bones if I ride for more than 20 miles. How much longer should I give the break-in before changing, yet again.

Note: This is my first time on a 130mm saddle. I didn't really get fitted on the ass-o-meter but I just assumed I needed something smaller than a 143mm since I have a pretty small body overall (127lbs). The thing is, I'm not sore on the ends of my sit bones - it's a little bit father in, closer to my perineum. Should I have stayed with a 143mm?
You should have measured. You know what happens when you assume.....

From your description your saddle does indeed sound too narrow. I think Specialized has a 30 total satisfaction type thingy. Attempt to exchange through your shop using that Specialized policy, or try to go direct.
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I found that the Toupe is sensitive to angle. A micro-adjusting seat post is required. A single bolt post with coarse serrations won't work. Once the angle is right, it's pretty good. I measured 140 on their ass-o-meter but the 143 is too wide for me. The LBS was happy to swap my 143 for a lightly used 130. Go back and ask for a 143.
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Originally Posted by ericm979
I found that the Toupe is sensitive to angle. A micro-adjusting seat post is required. A single bolt post with coarse serrations won't work. Once the angle is right, it's pretty good. I measured 140 on their ass-o-meter but the 143 is too wide for me. The LBS was happy to swap my 143 for a lightly used 130. Go back and ask for a 143.
how did that work out for you?

my measurement came out to around a 140. i have a new specialized that i'll get to start riding next week, and it's got a 143 on it (i couldn't swap).

how did the 130 work out for you?

i wonder if it's better, in general, to go up or down if one is between sizes. sounds like going up was not good for you, but is going down better? or just a different type of 'not right'.

(i do hope it works for you)
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Originally Posted by ericm979
I found that the Toupe is sensitive to angle. A micro-adjusting seat post is required. A single bolt post with coarse serrations won't work. Once the angle is right, it's pretty good.
This was my experience, too. Tweaking the angle just right makes a world of difference.
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You could gain enough weight to hit 220 pounds, but your bone structure won't move a mm. I'd get measured. If you don't have an ass-o-meter, get a big freezer bag, put a layer of flour or starch in there, and sit on it. Compare the indentations to your saddle.
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Originally Posted by rousseau
This was my experience, too. Tweaking the angle just right makes a world of difference.
+1 - there is some serious truth to this. More so than any other saddle that I have used.
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Originally Posted by F = MA
So I got a new toupe about a month ago. I put about 200 miles on it, and it's still killing my sit bones if I ride for more than 20 miles. How much longer should I give the break-in before changing, yet again.

Note: This is my first time on a 130mm saddle. I didn't really get fitted on the ass-o-meter but I just assumed I needed something smaller than a 143mm since I have a pretty small body overall (127lbs). The thing is, I'm not sore on the ends of my sit bones - it's a little bit father in, closer to my perineum. Should I have stayed with a 143mm?
I don't find a Toupe optimal. I'm 180# and 5'6", with a ready consumable fuel store around my middle. I first tried a bud's 130, which was too narrow, and I kind of teetered around on the butt pads. I got measured and got a 143, which is a good fit. On the 143 I get minimal numbness issues even up to 40 miles (my max so far), compared to a Flite, a Brooks Pro, and a 143 Alias. But the Toupe gets hard after say 20 miles sometimes, and it gets hard to slide around just a little to find a better spot to sit in.

So what I would like is the smoothness of a Pro, the resilience of either a pro or an Alias, and the blood flow/pressure pattern of a Toupe.

I suspect you really do need to have your butt measured, and consider whether the arced shape of a Toupe is better for you than the flat shape of say a B17 or an Alias. I find teh 143 Toupe a nice arc, still rather flat. Certainly not the intrusive arc of an old Turbo!

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Originally Posted by rousseau
This was my experience, too. Tweaking the angle just right makes a world of difference.

Absolutely! I use Thomson, old American Classic, and old Campagnolo Record 2-bolt.
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Originally Posted by tetonrider
how did that work out for you?

my measurement came out to around a 140. i have a new specialized that i'll get to start riding next week, and it's got a 143 on it (i couldn't swap).

how did the 130 work out for you?

i wonder if it's better, in general, to go up or down if one is between sizes. sounds like going up was not good for you, but is going down better? or just a different type of 'not right'.

(i do hope it works for you)
The 130mm Toupe is my new favorite saddle. I get some sit-bone chafing near the end of 8+ hour rides but that happens to me on all saddles, and it's less with the Toupe than it was with the SLR-XP that used to be my favorite. The 143mm Toupe rubbed the inside of my thighs when I sat on the back of the saddle while climbing, enough to be a problem after only a few hours. The SLR is also a narrow saddle. The Toupe is excellent for not causing penile numbness even after prolonged riding in the drops.

I have no idea if it is better to go down or up if you're in the middle. The bike shop people said almost everyone goes up, and they're probably right.

One thing to note is that your sit bones move together as you bend forward. So if you have a 'racier' position on the bike you may need a narrower saddle.

I think, but don't know for sure, that Specialized encourages their dealers to let customers exchange saddles. So I'd try out the 143 and see if it works, and maybe ask the shop if you can swap it for a 130 if it doesn't.

The Toupe shape may not work for you at all, you never know. A friend bought one and hated it, but he put it on his wife's TT bike and she loves it.
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Shop owner who sold me miy toupe said that it was desined to be used with the Specialized bibs. Wasnt springing for $130 bibs at that time but if you are riding old flattened out chami or cheap shorts to start with you might consider upgrading. I have not had a problrm with the Castelli or LG that I wear, but botrh have plush chami.
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Try a 143!

I originally bought the 130... My ass was saddle sore city after a month. Got a 143 on a new bike, tried it, and haven't gone back to the 130.
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Get an Alias. Problem solved.
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Originally Posted by djbowen1
my toupe was a perfect match from day 1. if your sit bones hurt i would try a 143. just because your skinny doesnt mean your sit bones arent wider. There is no correlation between the 2.
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Get measured and maybe check out specialized web site. My sit bone width measured 125 if I remember correctly. After that, there is a graph that you choose your riding position (aero, semi aero, upright, etc.) and from there you choose a saddle width. With my measurement and riding a CD Synapse he thought I' would need a 143. I've not changed yet, (still with the stock CD seat) but my LBS allows you to take home a specialized saddle for a couple days and try it out before you buy. I'm not sure if they have all the models for trial though. Still, I like the try before you buy idea.
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