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Old 09-07-07, 05:33 PM
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Pcad - would you like me to send you some of my anti-psychotic meds?
Yes.

You will have to sign a release form, they could interact with the excessive endorphins in my system with high unpredictable results. I will however continue to frequent BF and make an idiot of myself on a regular basis. Some things are comfortingly predictable, like the inability of Cubs to win a World Series and Pcad's obnoxious BF posts.

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Originally Posted by Campag4life
Really good advice.
Btw...sounds like you grew up where Patentcad still lives...lol.
P.S.: FWIW OP, seriously everybody who rides on the road and especially on a high speed road which I don't ride on...speed differentials are bad for survival...get almost killed everyday. You need to almost accept it...or make a change in where you ride.
Thanks for that info. I'm relatively new to cycling and may be spoiled where I live. For reference, I have biked that same route about 60+ times since June, and nothing like this has ever occurred. Generally speaking, depending on how I time my descent I can get a good gap between cars (I don't ride this route during heavy traffic hours), and at an average speed of 35-40mph I don't have anyone pass me (or maybe it's a few cars, max).

Also, I have passed slow-moving vehicles on my bike. The truth is that this guy could have been stuck behind a trailer going 20mph all the way, not using any pull-outs. I'm alot faster than many vehicles coming down that road. We were so close to town, too................

And thanks, Pinyon. That is good advice. I usually take the high-road, but I'm sorry to say I didn't walk away and be the better man here.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
'Almost' only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
It is also good in dancing.

Oh hell, I thought you said "close" and not "almost". Nevermind.

As for the OP, there are jerks out there and guess what, you won't educate all of them and some cannot be educated.
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Stap one of these on your back and cars tend to give you more room on the road.


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Originally Posted by Pinyon
Yeah...part of me has fantasies about clobbering some jerk that deserves it with my bike frame (30+ lbs of late 1980s touring bike), but I also agree that it would hit the news or local gossip mill and make things worse in general for everyone.

I come from a pretty rough, white-trash background, and I have a lot of experience with this sort of thing. The negative consequenses of violence are always bigger than anything positive that can come from it. Always. I have so many childhood freinds that have been and still are in jail after numerous little scuffles that get on their record come back to bite them when something bigger happens, and they end up not being believed by the court, and end up in jail. And someone gets really hurt. Someone's husband, father, brother, etc. gets hurt really bad in situations like that sometimes. It is never a good thing, no matter how big of a jerk the guy is.
Good insight. I agree. And it's often hard to restrain myself. But I like to be reminded why I should.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
'Almost' only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Please only start threads like this if you are actually killed. And why no capitalization? This place is a grammar nightmare.
and nuclear weapons
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Originally Posted by Pinyon

I come from a pretty rough, white-trash background, and I have a lot of experience with this sort of thing. The negative consequenses of violence are always bigger than anything positive that can come from it. Always. I have so many childhood freinds that have been and still are in jail after numerous little scuffles that get on their record come back to bite them when something bigger happens, and they end up not being believed by the court, and end up in jail. And someone gets really hurt. Someone's husband, father, brother, etc. gets hurt really bad in situations like that sometimes. It is never a good thing, no matter how big of a jerk the guy is.
I did 9 months in the max security section of what CNN called "the second worst jail in the US" (it was an unbelievable sh*thole). It would almost be worth another 9 months to beat the crap out of one of these punk ass drivers who play games with our lives.
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Originally Posted by tetonrider
Thanks for that info. I'm relatively new to cycling and may be spoiled where I live. For reference, I have biked that same route about 60+ times since June, and nothing like this has ever occurred. Generally speaking, depending on how I time my descent I can get a good gap between cars (I don't ride this route during heavy traffic hours), and at an average speed of 35-40mph I don't have anyone pass me (or maybe it's a few cars, max).

Also, I have passed slow-moving vehicles on my bike. The truth is that this guy could have been stuck behind a trailer going 20mph all the way, not using any pull-outs. I'm alot faster than many vehicles coming down that road. We were so close to town, too................

And thanks, Pinyon. That is good advice. I usually take the high-road, but I'm sorry to say I didn't walk away and be the better man here.
I think long term roadies almost embrace the madness or tend to block it out. Comes with the territory. Yeah...it can get you pretty mad but not worth going to jail for as road rage cases abound each day. There is a distinct power differential that plays into the psyche of many motorists who believe bicycles are toys and belong on the side walk. How dare we slow them down. There is something about the dynamic of putting a cyclist's life at risk that doesn't seem to compare with doing the same to another motorist. There have been a lot of studies about this btw...Size, power and intimidation. The same occurs with trucks relative to smallish cars...only magnified by being on a bike. Small animals in the jungle normally run from the bigger animals...lol.
Honestly, I will never ride my bike for any distance on a road with a speed limit of 50 mph. It only takes one wack job that had a bad day...all too common sometimes ruining lives. As to fighting...nobody ever wins a fight. They are getting what they deserve and hence the anger they have. Simply leave them to their misery.
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Originally Posted by 666
I did 9 months in the max security section of what CNN called "the second worst jail in the US" (it was an unbelievable sh*thole). It would almost be worth another 9 months to beat the crap out of one of these punk ass drivers who play games with our lives.
Although this does push the Immaturity Envelope, what cyclist could ever really disagree with this sentiment?

By the way 666, what fine institution did CNN rate as the absolute worst jail in the US? I'd love to see the complete list, I'd like to know where these Republicans are headed.
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Originally Posted by 666
I did 9 months in the max security section of what CNN called "the second worst jail in the US" (it was an unbelievable sh*thole). It would almost be worth another 9 months to beat the crap out of one of these punk ass drivers who play games with our lives.
May I ask what you were in for the first time?
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Consider yourself lucky w/ the "almost" word in your thread title. This guy didn't have "almost" in his...

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Originally Posted by patentcad
Although this does push the Immaturity Envelope, what cyclist could ever really disagree with this sentiment?

By the way 666, what fine institution did CNN rate as the absolute worst jail in the US? I'd love to see the complete list, I'd like to know where these Republicans are headed.
The old Loudoun county jail in Leesburg, VA. They aired a special on it in 2000. It has since been replaced with a "modern" facility and is scheduled for demolition. It was an interesting experience. I had a couple of very interesting cellies. One cut up his wife, placed the parts in luggage and threw the luggage in various trash bins around Loudoun and Fairfax County. His mistake was that he used new luggage. Some guy saw a new suitcase in the bin, retrieved and opened it and that was all she wrote.
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The old Loudoun county jail in Leesburg, VA. They aired a special on it in 2000. It has since been replaced with a "modern" facility and is scheduled for demolition. It was an interesting experience. I had a couple of very interesting cellies. One cut up his wife, placed the parts in luggage and threw the luggage in various trash bins around Loudoun and Fairfax County. His mistake was that he used new luggage. Some guy saw a new suitcase in the bin, retrieved and opened it and that was all she wrote.
Small world, I used to live in those condo's in South Riding. I remember my roomate spending the better part of the day eating popcorn, looking out the window watching the show.
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in my ongoing efforts to keep things Fair and Balanced (like DocRay's favorite network, Fox News), let me add that if a Republican politician does to jail, can a Democrat be far behind?
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Small world, I used to live in those condo's in South Riding. I remember my roomate spending the better part of the day eating popcorn, looking out the window watching the show.
Yep. Praveen is an interesting guy; well educated. He has BS and MS degrees in Computer Science and Information Systems from GWU. He got 63 years. One thing I learned being in is that anyone, in the right circumstances, is capable of murder.

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The biggest difference between me and you is that I get to calmly think through the situation in front of my computer in air conditioned comfort. You, on the other hand, had to do it in the heat of the moment while riding down a hill at 40MPH. That said, here's what I think:

If that jerk had really wanted to hit you he would have. I think that he was trying to scare you and make you angry. By your response you rewarded him by letting him know he was successful.
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20 years ago this month I was actually HIT by a car and well...blood was everywhere. Now THAT is much closer to dying.

Next time, keep the finger at check.

Originally Posted by tetonrider
just got home from biking teton pass, a road i ride frequently. most rides go ok. today was different. i want to vent.

about 3/4 of the way down, the road starts to flatten out a bit although one can still maintain alot of speed.

it's typical for a few cars to pass me on the way down. the road has a narrow shoulder on the descent, which is bumpy and often has some debris in it. i tend to ride a few feet into the road. cars often pass me over a double line, but it's all good. when i'm aware of them, i get over as far as possible. no complaints.

i averaged >35 mph on today's descent, with much sustained riding over 40, and i peaked at 51mph.

toward the bottom, a few cars passed me. apparently, one car had been (politely) hanging back, cruising at about 40, maybe to protect me. that car was able to pass me when a dotted line appeared, as did about 3 other cars.

the final car came within inches of hitting me -- definitely under a foot. i felt it go by. really scared me. i was doing ~42mph here, but the speed limit's probably 50 (and it's possible to do more than that).

the things is, right around the bend the speed limit drops to 25 as you hit "downtown" wilson. i knew i'd catch up to this guy. sure enough, i did get close, but he saw what was happening and sped up.

i raised my arms several times (to say "what was that?"), then when i saw him speed up i gave him the finger. he really almost hit me.

immediately brake lights go on and he erratically pulls to the side of the road and storms out toward me. big guy (tall). i was stopped about 15 feet behind his car.

i think he thought i'd run away, but i stood my ground. i tried to remain calm and tell him he almost hit me -- basically advise him to be more careful. without going into all the details, he told me:

a) i shouldn't be on a highway
b) he doesn't give a <bleep> if he kills me
c) he was running down his brakes
d) he cares about himself, not anyone else
e) that i better not ever make gestures as people like him will knock me out.

a -d are direct quotes.

i pointed out that i go faster than many vehicles down teton pass, and that it's legal to ride on a highway, and HE ALMOST KILLED ME! i asked him if his brakes are really more important than a human life. "Yes," he said.

he told me to "watch out for next time."

driver was in an audi a8 with idaho tags "IT 253".

watch out.

i'm sorry if this is disjointed. this all happened <5 minutes ago. i'm honestly stunned that someone would flat out say that they don't give a **** about anyone's life. i think he'd probably feel different when serving time for manslaughter (although i'm sure my family would feel worse).

maybe it's time to give up riding the pass. almost no good riding left in teton valley. or give up riding altogether.
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btw, I saw a guy get killed going down Brasstown this year. Thought I would post it for him.


Originally Posted by tetonrider
just got home from biking teton pass, a road i ride frequently. most rides go ok. today was different. i want to vent.

about 3/4 of the way down, the road starts to flatten out a bit although one can still maintain alot of speed.

it's typical for a few cars to pass me on the way down. the road has a narrow shoulder on the descent, which is bumpy and often has some debris in it. i tend to ride a few feet into the road. cars often pass me over a double line, but it's all good. when i'm aware of them, i get over as far as possible. no complaints.

i averaged >35 mph on today's descent, with much sustained riding over 40, and i peaked at 51mph.

toward the bottom, a few cars passed me. apparently, one car had been (politely) hanging back, cruising at about 40, maybe to protect me. that car was able to pass me when a dotted line appeared, as did about 3 other cars.

the final car came within inches of hitting me -- definitely under a foot. i felt it go by. really scared me. i was doing ~42mph here, but the speed limit's probably 50 (and it's possible to do more than that).

the things is, right around the bend the speed limit drops to 25 as you hit "downtown" wilson. i knew i'd catch up to this guy. sure enough, i did get close, but he saw what was happening and sped up.

i raised my arms several times (to say "what was that?"), then when i saw him speed up i gave him the finger. he really almost hit me.

immediately brake lights go on and he erratically pulls to the side of the road and storms out toward me. big guy (tall). i was stopped about 15 feet behind his car.

i think he thought i'd run away, but i stood my ground. i tried to remain calm and tell him he almost hit me -- basically advise him to be more careful. without going into all the details, he told me:

a) i shouldn't be on a highway
b) he doesn't give a <bleep> if he kills me
c) he was running down his brakes
d) he cares about himself, not anyone else
e) that i better not ever make gestures as people like him will knock me out.

a -d are direct quotes.

i pointed out that i go faster than many vehicles down teton pass, and that it's legal to ride on a highway, and HE ALMOST KILLED ME! i asked him if his brakes are really more important than a human life. "Yes," he said.

he told me to "watch out for next time."

driver was in an audi a8 with idaho tags "IT 253".

watch out.

i'm sorry if this is disjointed. this all happened <5 minutes ago. i'm honestly stunned that someone would flat out say that they don't give a **** about anyone's life. i think he'd probably feel different when serving time for manslaughter (although i'm sure my family would feel worse).

maybe it's time to give up riding the pass. almost no good riding left in teton valley. or give up riding altogether.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
The biggest difference between me and you is that I get to calmly think through the situation in front of my computer in air conditioned comfort. You, on the other hand, had to do it in the heat of the moment while riding down a hill at 40MPH. That said, here's what I think:

If that jerk had really wanted to hit you he would have. I think that he was trying to scare you and make you angry. By your response you rewarded him by letting him know he was successful.
excellent point. he probably wanted the confrontation, although when he saw that i was pedaling on the flats like mad to catch up, he accelerated and could have easily gotten away. when i had my arms up to as "why?" he sped up. when i gave him the finger, he stopped immediately.

during the actual confrontation, he got in my face and was being physically threatening + cursing. a tape might prove otherwise, but i recall actually being pretty calm in what i said -- not incendiary. i was honestly asking him if what he did was worth a human life.

then again, during the descent my HR was ~110...and it hit 183 during that confrontation!

your words are wise.

PS while the guy probably would have changed his tune if i was actually killed and he was caught, you're probably right -- he probably didn't want to hit me. that said, i think this guy might have enjoyed seeing me bail @ 40mph (while he drove away).
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Yeah...part of me has fantasies about clobbering some jerk that deserves it with my bike frame (30+ lbs of late 1980s touring bike), but I also agree that it would hit the news or local gossip mill and make things worse in general for everyone.
Been there, done that. Twice. Quite satisfactory outcomes both times. Some people need a little reminder once in a while that they aren't all that.
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"Seattle fire department Capt. Reba Gonzales said the lead bicyclist, who was riding in front, died at the scene."

Guess he should have been leading from the rear.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
It's touche', and it's you. I'll continue to begin sentences with contractions by the way. Isn't it ironic? Don't you think? Can't you see it? Aren't you sick of this by now? I never tire of sophmoric BF foo.
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meh, just pointing out the lack of comma and your error in starting a sentence with a contraction. I only really point out grammar when someone is trying to correct someone else's grammar and screws up themselves. I just think it's funny. So if was intentional...tuche, if it wasn't...who's the gavone?
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May I ask what you were in for the first time?
It was (largely) political. I was accused of a terrorism-related crime. I was held (without bond) for 9 months pending trial. The prosecutor lost reelection, a new one came in, realized the case was bullsh*t and dropped the charges.
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