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Avoiding suicidal runners/joggers

Old 09-23-07, 01:52 PM
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Avoiding suicidal runners/joggers

Almost all runners where I live run against traffic. What's the legality of this? On today's ride, I have to veer pass the car/bike lane to avoid them multiple times. Doing so put me at great risk of getting run over from behind by a car while the runners happily jog on like nothing had happened. I now ride very fast right into them and play chicken with them. Of course, when I get close at +25mp they get scared and run into the side walk to avoid me. I hate to do this but this is my only resort. Comments?

We all jog sometimes, but I am so sick of runners taking up bike lane. Okay, rant over.

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Old 09-23-07, 01:53 PM
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They are pedestrians and are supposed to move against traffic.
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Yeah, I dunno why they aren't on the sidewalk to start with. When I run/jog, I always use the sidewalk.
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Old 09-23-07, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by samsation7 View Post
I now ride very fast right into them and play chicken with them. Of course, when I get close at +25mp they get scared and run into the side walk to avoid me.
sounds good if they have a sidewalk that is where they should be running. so go straight at them
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Old 09-23-07, 02:02 PM
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I don't either. Runners prefer the roads for some reason, and that means bike lane, designated for people riding bikes. I think it probably has to do with the fact that bike lane is wider while some side walks are narrow with moms pushing toddlers around or whatever. However, in my neighborhoods, sidewalks are always vacant of pedestrians.

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Yeah, I dunno why they aren't on the sidewalk to start with. When I run/jog, I always use the sidewalk.
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Old 09-23-07, 02:09 PM
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They move against traffic because they move too slowly to go with the flow of traffic. By going against them, you go past them much faster and they don't slow down traffic much.
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Old 09-23-07, 02:10 PM
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Ok, this is my kinda thread. Concrete is 10x harder than asphalt, plus, if you average 6:30 miles on a 10 mile run, you dont wanna have to deal with someone walking with a stroller on the sidewalk. Also, would you rater have us run towards you so taht we can see you coming, or suddenly step out to the left to avoid dog sh*t or whatever reason, and clip you?

With all that said, I am an avid cyclist, but running is my main gig.
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Old 09-23-07, 02:12 PM
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When I was a serious runner doing marathons and running up to 90 miles/week, I ran on the asphalt roads instead of the concrete sidewalks which kill your knees.

If a biker had come "RIGHT AT ME", they would be picking up their bodies and their bikes off the asphalt after I hit them with or stuck the dog stick I carried in their spokes!! Get real!
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Runners prefer the road due to pavement / blacktop being more forgiving than concrete. fyi
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so how come runners NEVER move a side when a cyclist approaches? They expect ME to veer to the left to avoid them. That is just rude and bereft of any common courtesy.
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Well, surprisingly there doesn't seem to be much support for the OP, but this is also a personal annoyance of mine. Doesn't rise to the level of pet peeve, but happens routinely (just today, in fact) that the person was running against traffic and I had to veer way out into the lane to avoid hitting the person. I can understand from the POV of their survival why they would want an eye on traffic at all times, but this practice seems far from ideal IMHO.
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Originally Posted by Towlie View Post
Well, surprisingly there doesn't seem to be much support for the OP, but this is also a personal annoyance of mine. Doesn't rise to the level of pet peeve, but happens routinely (just today, in fact) that the person was running against traffic and I had to veer way out into the lane to avoid hitting the person. I can understand from the POV of their survival why they would want an eye on traffic at all times, but this practice seems far from ideal IMHO.
Well, if there is no sidewalk, for argument's sake, what then?
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Old 09-23-07, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Towlie View Post
Well, surprisingly there doesn't seem to be much support for the OP, but this is also a personal annoyance of mine. Doesn't rise to the level of pet peeve, but happens routinely (just today, in fact) that the person was running against traffic and I had to veer way out into the lane to avoid hitting the person. I can understand from the POV of their survival why they would want an eye on traffic at all times, but this practice seems far from ideal IMHO.
Running with traffic would be no better. People would still have to do something to avoid hitting the runner. The advantage of running, or walking, against traffic is that it allows the pedestrian to see oncoming traffic and avoid it. When I run on the road, I do my best to get off it if there is oncoming traffic, bike or car, and they don't have room to move over. However, if they do have room to move over a few feet, I will usually stay on the road, but get as close to the side as possible.
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Old 09-23-07, 02:35 PM
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I jog, ride and drive a truck. I never thought about this before, but if you buzz me on your bike while I am jogging, I think that would be about the cleanest punch one could get on someone else. Then I would flatten your tires while you were trying to figure out what happened.
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Blah no wonder I have ITB/knee problems, I've been on the sidewalks all this time hopping left and right to avoid everyone. I never knew about this asphalt is squishy business. Im hitting the road now thank you for that piece of info!
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Blah no wonder I have ITB/knee problems, I've been on the sidewalks all this time playing hopping left and right to avoid everyone. I never knew about this asphalt is squishy business. Im hitting the road now thank you for that piece of info!
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Old 09-23-07, 02:41 PM
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Anybody who thinks the sidewalk is better for running than the road has never run farther than 5 miles, I'd wager.
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I run on the road against traffic all the time, spend a lot of time in the grass too, but it is better on my legs.
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Originally Posted by piper_chuck View Post
Running with traffic would be no better. People would still have to do something to avoid hitting the runner. The advantage of running, or walking, against traffic is that it allows the pedestrian to see oncoming traffic and avoid it. When I run on the road, I do my best to get off it if there is oncoming traffic, bike or car, and they don't have room to move over. However, if they do have room to move over a few feet, I will usually stay on the road, but get as close to the side as possible.
Yeah, good point, I didn't consider that obvious truth. I suppose either direction they run I would have to swerve.
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Now that the runners and bikers understand each other, can we just be friends!!!
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Yeah, good point, I didn't consider that obvious truth. I suppose either direction they run I would have to swerve.
Yup. And, at least you wouldn't be surprising them (unlike flying up from behind).
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squirt them with your water bottle. If that doesn't work, consider a can of mace strapped to your handlebars.
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Now; runners don't bother me as much as those dumb people who ride their comfort and hybrid bikes against traffic. The look like Goofy and don't move at all. I always make sure to yell at them like a dumb redneck, something like; "Get on the other side!"
Can I get a what-what?
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Originally Posted by Halfast View Post
When I was a serious runner doing marathons and running up to 90 miles/week, I ran on the asphalt roads instead of the concrete sidewalks which kill your knees.

If a biker had come "RIGHT AT ME", they would be picking up their bodies and their bikes off the asphalt after I hit them with or stuck the dog stick I carried in their spokes!! Get real!
And that is when the cyclist gets to call the cops and get you arrested for assault. If you can find a way to explain how the stick you were carrying in your right hand (left works as well) managed to cross your body and break the spokes and god knows what else of the cyclist and also explain the redness on your hand from the impact. And if the runners are going against traffic so they can see it...it means THEY should move out of the way and not the cyclist, especially since the cyclist cannot see the traffic coming up behind him.
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Avoid them, and pass them just as carefully as you would have a car pass you. If I was a runner and you played chicken with me, you'd end up on the pavement.
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