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Frustrated w/ Keos - replacing w/ Speedplay?

Old 10-11-07, 12:02 PM
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Frustrated w/ Keos - replacing w/ Speedplay?

I have used Look's delta and Keo systems for about 6 years. Over the past year and half, I have found the keo pedal to be very difficult to engage. I think it is mostly due to the "resting" (for lack of a better word) angle of the pedal. Perhaps my muscle memory is shot, but I often struggle to get going at traffic lights, or any other place I disengage and I am constantly looking down when I should be looking up. Thus, I may switch to Speedplay Zeros. I want as much float as the Keo (9degrees) and I think I'll like the double sided entry. Any thoughts as to the easy of entry? Whereas the Keos take a proper foot angle, do the Speedplays present other challenges (e.g., the cleat sliding over the pedal instead of engaging) that weigh against such a purchase? Does the cleat offer as much support as the Keo cleat with a decent shoe?
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I bought top of the line racing equipment and it doesn't work very good on my urban commute. Who should I blame?
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In my experience Speedplays are very easy to engage, and they do not require you to look down.

They can be a problem to engage if 1) the cleat's dirty, or 2) the cleat's not set up correctly.

Both of these problems are easily overcome.
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Old 10-11-07, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by curiouskid55 View Post
I bought top of the line racing equipment and it doesn't work very good on my urban commute. Who should I blame?
Originally Posted by deskjockey
Perhaps my muscle memory is shot
Doesn't seem like he's trying to blame anyone.
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Thanks Merlin. Curiuos kid, I'm not blaming the pedal per se, but explaining that I'm spending too much time looking down on my urban rides. I really didn't think my post would generate smart ass remarks, but I guess I underestimated everyone.
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Originally Posted by deskjockey View Post
Thanks Merlin. Curiuos kid, I'm not blaming the pedal per se, but explaining that I'm spending too much time looking down on my urban rides. I really didn't think my post would generate smart ass remarks, but I guess I underestimated everyone.
Clearly you've underestimated the dick quotient of BF.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
In my experience Speedplays are very easy to engage, and they do not require you to look down.

They can be a problem to engage if 1) the cleat's dirty, or 2) the cleat's not set up correctly.

Both of these problems are easily overcome.
Not if you get off your bike to pee in the snowy or muddy woods. And if there is anything mucking up the cleat, God help you clicking into Speedplays. Inherent to a design that has the mechanism built into a concave cleat that you walk around in. Hardly an issue with the Keos I got a few weeks ago. The Keos are considerably more consistent to click into, and very easy to deal with so far. I liked the Speedplays, I like the Keos more, to each his own.
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Old 10-11-07, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Not if you get off your bike to pee in the snowy or muddy woods. And if there is anything mucking up the cleat, God help you clicking into Speedplays. Inherent to a design that has the mechanism built into a concave cleat that you walk around in. Hardly an issue with the Keos I got a few weeks ago. The Keos are considerably more consistent to click into, and very easy to deal with so far. I liked the Speedplays, I like the Keos more, to each his own.
pcad, do you do a lot of urban riding? I tried to make Keo's work in the city, but I ended up replacing cleats once a month. Honestly, I've found SPD to be the best clipless system for city riding. I may give Crank Brother Quattros a try, though.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Not if you get off your bike to pee in the snowy or muddy woods.
I'll grant this can be a concern. I've found that a sharp thwack or two of the cleat on the pavement takes care of it. If that doesn't work a squirt of the cleat with a waterbottle does.
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I'm not bright enough to make smart ass remarks but thanks for the compliment.
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I switched from Keo's to Speedplay Zero's and have never looked back. I like the two sided entry, don't need to look down anymore. Only issues I have had are dirt getting into the pedals, so clicking in sometimes doesn't happen immediately. But well worth the trouble.

Just need to make sure to keep them clean and I use the cleat covers as much as I did with my Keo's, but if I forget to use them or get lazy I have no fear of walking through the cleats within a few weeks time.
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i have keo's, never tried speedplay but i would like to sometime to see what all the hype is about. I'm perfectly happy with my keo's for now though!
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I will kinda agree with the OP.

What I have noticed (which he was trying to get at) the old delta pedals were much heavier at the rear so when they are not engaged, the heavy side would be down, and the front of the pedal would be basicly up. This made it very easy to engage. However since the Keo's are much lighter, this isn't always the case, and every once in a while, I do have too rotate them slightly with the tip of my shoe before I click in. No big deal imo.
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i switched from deltas to spd-sl. After walking in look cleats for awhile, walking on the spd-sl's was great. they aren't traditional "walkable" cleats, but are much better than keos. Aren't the speedplay cleats like $40 -- doesn't seem like you'd want to walk in those much. No problems engaing mine (i think the rubber stoppers on the bottom of the cleat actually help)
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Wow, I saw this thread and I was going to send him your way.

Hilarious.

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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Not if you get off your bike to pee in the snowy or muddy woods.
Why get off the bike? You're not a racer if you can't pee while riding. But that's another thread...

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I think the dick quotient could get a little higher, so here we go: You really shouldn't have to look down to click in, regardless of which pedals you use.

That said, I like Speedplay, so yeah, go Speedplay.
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I use Speedplay and like 'em.
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Originally Posted by kergin View Post
pcad, do you do a lot of urban riding? I tried to make Keo's work in the city, but I ended up replacing cleats once a month. Honestly, I've found SPD to be the best clipless system for city riding. I may give Crank Brother Quattros a try, though.
In an urban setting you'll wear out Keo cleats much faster and not have to deal with the snow/mud issue that I contend with during winter riding when I stop to (ahem) relieve my aging bladder. In the city the Speedplay cleats will surely last much longer, all their key components are inside, the metal plates on the bottom wear like iron (they are metal) and don't figure into the function of the system. My only issue with the Speedplay X's were hot spots on longer rides, and now that I've been on the Keos I prefer the broader platform feel they confer. But the Speedplays are great pedals, I rode them for 15 years.
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I switched from Keo Carbon to Time RSX Carbon and never looked back. My main complain with the Looks was the same as yours, inconsistent positioning of the pedal before clipping in resulting in missed re-entries. I have ridden the Times for a year now without a single missed re-entry and I never have to look down.
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Originally Posted by kudude View Post
i switched from deltas to spd-sl. After walking in look cleats for awhile, walking on the spd-sl's was great. they aren't traditional "walkable" cleats, but are much better than keos. Aren't the speedplay cleats like $40 -- doesn't seem like you'd want to walk in those much. No problems engaing mine (i think the rubber stoppers on the bottom of the cleat actually help)
I wouldn't know how expensive the Speedplay cleats are...mine only have about 7500 miles on them and are as good as new...oh, yeah--I wear the cleat covers virtually any time i'm off the bike.
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Another option to consider is crank bros. You get 4 side with them. Their road cleat is nice and easy to clip into and has some nice plastic grip patterns so you have grip and don't wear down the cleat walking. Even the cheapy cromo ones are nice and light. No issues with mud or dirt. I have them on both my mtn bike and my roadbike, even tho I have specific shoes for each.

15 or 20 degrees of float, too.

If you've got a nice carbon sole, even the eggbeaters have no issues with hotspots. If not, you may want to look at the quattros, which have a longer platform.
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I use Speedplays (X5, the cheapest ones). I have 3,000 miles on mine, urban, rural, even a few hundred miles in Alabama. I've never lubed anything, never even had to take a stick and clean out the cleats, never had a problem clipping in or out, not even once. I routinely pee in the snow and mud. How do I do it, you may ask?

When I get off the bike I put on the cleat covers. They weigh nothing, fit in a jersey pocket, and take less than 10 seconds to put on. $10 at lickbike.com .
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Switched from Look to Speedplay as well. I had the same problems where I would miss the pedal trying to get back in and would almost get rear ended by the guy behind me

I love the fact that I do not have to look down to clip. They work great and it is very easy to get out as well.

Performance had the cro-moly pedal on sale for $114.00 a couple weeks ago.
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