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Swapped My Ultegra Brakes for Record and WOW!

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Old 10-13-07, 02:34 AM
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Swapped My Ultegra Brakes for Record and WOW!

What a colossal waste of money!

No meaningful difference whatsoever but for (aesthetically) matching my other Campy components.
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Old 10-13-07, 02:38 AM
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but.... but..... your bling score is so much higher now!!!!!!
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Old 10-13-07, 02:45 AM
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but.... but..... your bling score is so much higher now!!!!!!
Or Brainless Consumer Sucker Scale, depends on your perspective
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Or Brainless Consumer Sucker Scale, depends on your perspective
they are pretty much the same thing for the most part.
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but but...you shaved 50 grams of weight off your bike!

oh...i see what you mean...
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When the shift lever on my campy chorus broke off, it was replaced by a record part. Same part except that they paste a thin strip of carbon tape on the indent where your fingers push.

What a joke!

A pair of Campy Chorus Alloy brifters in excellent shape cost more than a new pair of 2007 brifters on ebay. The market knows when it is being manipulated by bling.
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When the shift lever on my campy chorus broke off, it was replaced by a record part. Same part except that they paste a thin strip of carbon tape on the indent where your fingers push.

What a joke!

A pair of Campy Chorus Alloy brifters in excellent shape cost more than a new pair of 2007 brifters on ebay. The market knows when it is being manipulated by bling.
That's the great thing about capitalism.
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Originally Posted by rodrigaj View Post
When the shift lever on my campy chorus broke off, it was replaced by a record part. Same part except that they paste a thin strip of carbon tape on the indent where your fingers push.

What a joke!

A pair of Campy Chorus Alloy brifters in excellent shape cost more than a new pair of 2007 brifters on ebay. The market knows when it is being manipulated by bling.
The higher price of the alloy brifters is a reflection of their scarcity, and maybe a reflection of the fact that eBay is not the first place purchasers of new Campagnolo components turn to buy those components. The market is not sentient and cannot "know," and certainly cannot know bling, as luxury goods are ALL THE TIME priced much higher than their actual value and sell like goddamn hotcakes.
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The higher price of the alloy brifters is a reflection of their scarcity, and maybe a reflection of the fact that eBay is not the first place purchasers of new Campagnolo components turn to buy those components. The market is not sentient and cannot "know," and certainly cannot know bling, as luxury goods are ALL THE TIME priced much higher than their actual value and sell like goddamn hotcakes.
Point taken.

I would also add that alloy brifters attract a market segment that perceives quality (function) in alloy and therefore adds to the scarcity. Luxury goods are of no interest to that market segment.
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What a colossal waste of money!

No meaningful difference whatsoever but for (aesthetically) matching my other Campy components.
I find this hard to understand.

If you are using them with Shimano lever there is little difference. The pull ratio for Shimano is 3:1, while Campagnolo is 2:1. Campagnolo pads are also much harder than Shimano pads. If you are using the Campagnolo brakes with their EP lever, I can't believe you couldn't notice a clear difference in braking modulation, the feel of the pad on the rim and durability.

Where I live it is very mountainous. When my team switched to Record from DA, I almost launched myself over a cliff the first time I did some real descending with the Record brakes. It took me a bit to get used to them. Now I find Shimano brakes are soft and wimpy (plus the pads wear out quite quickly).

Try cleaning your rims and see if that doesn't make a difference.
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^^^ Bob, I am going to reguritate the same nonsense that is always repeated on BF, are you ready:

The difference in modulation is nothing that you can't accommodate after five minutes on the bike!

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^^^ Bob, I am going to reguritate the same nonsense that is always repeated on BF, are you ready:

The difference in modulation is nothing that you can't accommodate after five minutes on the bike!

Or by just setting your brake levers up a little looser if your brakes are grabby (old crit rider trick).
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The better question is why you would be comparing the two brakes with their stock pads. Put the same ones on each.

Kool stop 4tw
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It doesn't matter whether they function the same or not.

It's the status . . . it's the aura . . . it's the prestige . . . it's the bling . . . that's what you're friggin' paying for.

To each his own -- to some people the prestige and distinction are important and they're willing to pay extra for it. To others, they couldn't care less about the distinction, ultegra works fine and they prefer to save their loot for something else.

And then there is that other motley group -- those who would really want the bling but can't afford it so they just hate the guys that have it. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Shame on those guys, the hater group . . . not that anyone here would stoop to such a level . . . noooooooooo. I'm just sayin'.
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I replaced my campy record brakes with Zero G one's...I lost a bit more than 50 grams and am happy with it as well.....if you just want something the functions campy is not your group....it is just as much art....and with SRAM RED hitting the competition is about to heat up!!!
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Oops, I did it again. Posting while drinking.
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What the hell did you expect? They're BRAKES. Did someone promise you some huge difference? Ultegra brakes are well known for their solid reputation, so other than weight savings, what exactly did you think would happen?
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What the hell did you expect? They're BRAKES. Did someone promise you some huge difference? Ultegra brakes are well known for their solid reputation, so other than weight savings, what exactly did you think would happen?
I notice a HUGE difference in both the feel and grab of the brakes on my two bikes and both have Ultegra. Maybe the pads on one are oxidized/harder.
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What the hell did you expect? They're BRAKES. Did someone promise you some huge difference? Ultegra brakes are well known for their solid reputation, so other than weight savings, what exactly did you think would happen?
No need to scold! My posting this was an admission of wasting money and brainless consumerism.

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Hee hee...I have Campy Xenon brakes on my Bianchi, and I figure that just by being Campy they're way better than Ultegra!
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Originally Posted by EGreen View Post
What a colossal waste of money!

No meaningful difference whatsoever but for (aesthetically) matching my other Campy components.
Thanks for taking one for the team.
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campy looks way better than shimano
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