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cycling and marathon training.

Old 10-28-07, 12:11 PM
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cycling and marathon training.

I am planning to run a marathon in April. I just wondered if anyone could comment on what they did with their cycling as they trained for their marathon (would assume riding volume would go down as running volume went up but wondered how this actually worked out for people). I haven't completely hammered out my marathon training plan but I doubt I will be running more than 50 miles per week at the height of my training (should be up to 40 miles per week by mid January). Thanks in advance for any advice that might be offered. I'd like to keep riding because I enjoy it and also because I will be doing triathlons next spring and summer.
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I've not done marathon training... not big on running, but have slowly lowering the bike to bring up the run and swim. Trying to get a few good Oly distance Tri's in next year.
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Did my first marathon end of last Feb. Ran way too much. Only did indoor spinning a few times and an occasional outdoor cycle over my 4 months of training. Ran about 50 miles/week. Long story, but ended up breaking down about 3 weeks before the marathon due to over training. Calves and shins began to break down and were both very painful during Feb. Struggled badly during the marathon after being able to only run a couple times before the race.

Gonna run another marathon in April. A few changes... rest day after every long run. No running on consecutive days during Nov & Dec. Concentrate on the long runs. Spin, MTB or road ride once per week. Hoping it works out better.

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Arndt hits the road running

Judith Arndt showed what a world-class athlete can do, when she ran the Dresden Marathon last weekend with only minimal preparations. The T-Mobile rider finished in her first marathon in a time of 3:32:24, giving her place 32 among the women and sixth in her age group. "It is unbelievable what the body can accomplish, when the head really wants it."

"I only heard about this race seven days earlier, so there wasn't time to do any real preparation," the 31-year-old said on t-mobile-team.com. "On the Tuesday before the race I ran for two hours for the first time, and during the team meeting in Cologne I was able to get in two training sessions."

She was a little nervous before the race, "whether I would make it to the end or put too much pressure on my joints, but it went better than expected. I ran controlled over the first half of the race, then in the second half I could give gas. My legs started to get stiff in the last five kilometers, but I still felt good. I wanted to try it and now I am very happy," Arndt concluded.

The 2004 World Champion found a similarity to cycling, too. "The only place it was dangerous and chaotic was at the feeding zones. There was no difference there between cycling and running races."

It was Arndt's first marathon, but not her last. "I would like to know how fast I can go when I really train for it." But she will not be quitting her real job, although she is not sure when she will get back on her bike. "I'll have to see when I can start cycling again, because my legs do still hurt a little," she concluded.
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I think the bike helps me with turnover on hills and endurance. I try to bike 2-3 times per week to compliment my running. I usually do 1 marathon a year. Usually bike on my off days from running, twice a week. Try to get the other bike ride in the am and then run in the evening. Mediocre on the bike, and mid pack runner. 3:17 pr for the marathon.

But, I can't recall every biking much at all when training for a marathon. Marathon training usually starts about the time, I"ve parked the bike for the winter. The trainer sucks.
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Originally Posted by mike like bike
Did my first marathon end of last Feb. Ran way too much. Only did indoor spinning a few times and an occasional outdoor cycle over my 4 months of training. Ran about 50 miles/week. Long story, but ended up breaking down about 3 weeks before the marathon due to over training. Calves and shins began to break down and were both very painful during Feb. Struggled badly during the marathon after being able to only run a couple times before the race.

Gonna run another marathon in April. A few changes... rest day after every long run. No running on consecutive days during Nov & Dec. Concentrate on the long runs. Spin, MTB or road ride once per week. Hoping it works out better.

Best to you.
I'm in my 40's and have had some knee problems in the past but ran a marathon before by being smart about my training. As much as possible, I'm going to train smarter vs harder for this marathon, focusing on quality workouts. I also have an easy/rest week scheduled every fourth week. I can use that week to do less running and more riding. Also my plan has a three week taper so I should be rested and ready to go on race day. I hope it will work out for me. I'll be doing Big Sur which is one of the more scenic marthons around (and the one I did before).
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Originally Posted by vitus_blue
I think the bike helps me with turnover on hills and endurance. I try to bike 2-3 times per week to compliment my running. I usually do 1 marathon a year. Usually bike on my off days from running, twice a week. Try to get the other bike ride in the am and then run in the evening. Mediocre on the bike, and mid pack runner. 3:17 pr for the marathon.

But, I can't recall every biking much at all when training for a marathon. Marathon training usually starts about the time, I"ve parked the bike for the winter. The trainer sucks.
3:17 is pretty damn fast, good for you.
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Originally Posted by botto
Judith Arndt showed what a world-class athlete can do,
More like that world-class EPO and patches can do.
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I just did the Chicago Marathon earlier this month. I didn't get on the bike for two months prior to the marathon so I could focus on my running. I regret not riding for those two months because just running was killing me mentally. I will mix in some riding if I should ever run another one.
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Trained for both this year, went well. Did my running workouts in the morning and the cycling in the afternoon/evening. Long runs were done on the weekends in combination with recovery rides later in the day and I was able to maintain my volume without much trouble. Overall I was happy with the aerobic training my running brought to my cycling... the only difficulty I could see was in the anaerobic workouts as running tends to take a higher toll on the body in general. It's a delicate balance to compete at a high level in both events but achieveable. Elite triathletes post some fast ride/run times, so it is possible to do both well.

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I've found recovery rides much more helpful than recovery runs.
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Originally Posted by sfrider
More like that world-class EPO and patches can do.
So if she's on it, all the runners in the race are clean?

Riiiggght.
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aham23 lost a few months of riding while preparing for the Chicago Marathon this year as well. It will be interesting to see what he has to say about this, but I believe he is pretty happy he is back on the bike.

For the rest of us it was a real pisser to not be able to ride with him for that time. Really missed out on some good ones.
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Did my first marathon last August. I rode once per week for a little cross-training in the months before the marathon. Cycling allowed me to emphasize cardio and endurance without destroying my knees. Most rides involved climbing and keeping the cadence up. I ran the marathon pain free minus the last 6-7 miles.

There are some great marathon training plans on the web. Good luck.
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