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Old 11-29-07, 12:43 AM
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Bianchi Campione d'Italia/ New bike question ..

Hi, Im wondering if any of you nice folks can help me out..

Iím in the market for a new road bike, and Iím leaning towards getting a red Bianchi Campione díItalia. According to my LBS, the frame is a few years old but unused, and its specíd with campy Mirage and Veloce, campy wheels, and Bianchi (steel)fork, stem and seat. It has a lugged steel frame (Iím not sure what kind of steel though), a script/signature like decal on the top tube near the seat post, and a ďMade in ItalyĒ sticker on it.

The LBS wants 900$ for the bike

Problem is, Iíve had a hard time finding information about the bike online. Primarly Iím trying to figure out if this is A) a good bike for me (see below), and B) is 900$ a fair price for this bike. Id love to know more about this model (ie: is this an entry level racer or more of a tourer? ride quality, year of production, etc.).

Iím getting back into biking after a few years off my beloved very early 70ís Raleigh Competition that I inherited from my uncle. I like to start doing longer weekend trips and maybe some club riding and thus feel the need for a newer bike. Id like a bike that has a relaxed road frame and am leaning toward steel (due to my Raleigh!) .

Im also wondering how this bike compares with others in the sub 1400$ range w/ carbon forks. I have looked at some Jamis and the usual aluminum bikes (trek, cídale, Raleigh, Specialized etc. ) but havnt test ridden anything yet.

Any info/advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
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This summer I bought a 1987 Campione d'Italia (Columbus steel) with 1980s-era Campy components for $400. I upgraded piecemeal to nicer components like Mavic Open Pro rims laced to Dura Ace hubs, Mirage Ergo shifters and a Centaur 9-speed derailleur, etc., which added about $600 to the $400 purchase price.

I've spent a total of $1,000 on the bike, and I love it. Here it is:



I'm no expert, so I can't really tell you whether $900 is a fair deal, though I'd venture that it's be super cool if you could talk them down to $700 or something like that. What year are the bike and components? Mid-1990s?

It's a shame it's red, as there's no substitute for Campy celeste. Still, I gather from the scuttle-butt on this forum and in other environs that Bianchi steel is a solid choice, and you really cannot go wrong with it--that so many people are devoted to older Bianchis is not without reason. More knowledgeable people may feel led to correct me on this score, but my feeling is that a steel Bianchi from an earlier era is a far more worthy purchase than most of the stuff you see on LBS floors for under $1,400.
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It's a shame it's red, as there's no substitute for Campy celeste.
Hell no. If it was red i'd buy it on the spot. It's Bianchi celeste anyways.
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Do you know what the age is? They said a few years, but what does that really mean. 2 years or are they exagerating and actually mean 10 years. For $900, you can get a pretty good new bike that is Aluminum with some carbon to soften the ride.

After doing a google search on "Bianchi Campione d’Italia", seems to me that $900 is a very steep asking price. I would guess from the search that this a bike from the 90's.

I have done alot of research on used bikes and for $900, I would be looking at something less than 5 years old with at least full shimano 105 or maybe full shimano ultegra or some mix. I have even seen some name brand bikes with Dura ace in this price range that have been well used but still in good condition.

If your budget is up to $1400 then I would be looking to go with something new or a bike that is used that retails between $2000 & 2500.

Here is on on ebay for $400 starting price although there are no bidders.
https://cgi.ebay.com/Bianchi-Campione...QQcmdZViewItem

Another with starting bid of $300
https://cgi.ebay.com/BIANCHI-CAMPIONE...QQcmdZViewItem
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Thanks for the info, and cool bike Rousseau !

Actually I'm enamored with the red! The same LBS has 2 championes in Celeste and but i prefer the red.
Also the red one is $50 less because of the color!

I'm not sure what year the frame and components are. The LBS said the Frame was a few years old- so 2003-2005? but the components look new/unused. Im not sure when bianchi stopped producing the model.

It would be cool if I got a lower price... and that was one thing I was wondering, should older (albeit unused) frame + veloce/mirage = less than $900?

Maybe I'm over thinking this....

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At $900 you are not overthinking it. That is nothing to sneeze at.

Why was the LBS pointing you to the direction of this bike instead of a new bike anyway?
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Thanks MG for your comments,

900$ is (relatively) alot to be spending on a used/older bike. The frame in the shop seems newer than the others on ebay and in the above post, spec'd with new components, I wonder it that justifies the cost.

The LBS initially showed me a Raleigh grand prix and a few others but the Bianchis caught my eye. Ive also looked at some al bikes at other LBS and the Jamis line that has several interesting steel bikes in my price range. Should I even be that concerned about frame material at this stage of the game?

thanks again for your opinions/comments/advice,

RS

Im alittle apprehensive about buying off EBAY and Craigslist has yelded very little of the right size/type im looking for. However there are a few bikes on ebay that look like good matches for me.
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Regarding frame material. You could do a search and read until you are blue in the face and then still read for another 1000 days.....

Personally, I would not be buying steel as my 1st road bike in 2007. I would be looking for aluminum with carbon fork and seat post or maybe even seat stays. With your budget you should be able to get something easily. Here are some to consider:

None of these are a brand endorsement, but rather just to show you some options in the new market in your price range.

I understand about craigslist. The good deals don't last long and it can be difficult to get hooked up for a test ride and you need to know the right size for each brand as it can vary.

https://chainwheeldrive.com/itemdetai...ogId=39&id=888

https://chainwheeldrive.com/itemdetai...ogId=39&id=930

https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...tal_ice_08.htm

https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/..._08_carbon.htm

https://www.feltracing.com/08/product...,1515&pid=8665

https://www.feltracing.com/08/product...,1515&pid=8667
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I think a steel bike is fine for a first bike. Bianchis ride like a dream. Just be sure it has 2007 Campy components on it, or preferably, 2008. If you can get it spec'ed like that, then $900 seems fair.
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Count the cogs on the rear cluster. If its an 8-speed it's probably from the mid 90's. Campagnolo is not supporting their 8-speed group anymore making replacement parts difficult to come by. I've enjoyed my 1997 C D'I. It is relatively heavy, but rides nicely.
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Thanks to everyone for their input.

Ive managed to get some pics of the bike through the shop which are attached to this post. They might help someone date this frame

MG- thanks alot for the great suggestions and thoughts!! That yellow Felt is one sweet bik

Cranky- thanks for the heads up re: the campy parts. I cant make out the rear cluster in the pic very well but it looks like it might be an 8speed..

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Originally Posted by Rocksteady
That yellow Felt is one sweet bik
Okay, hold on here. This does not compute. We were talking about Bianchi. You cannot say what you've said above while engaging in a discussion about Bianchi bikes. With all due respect, if you don't feel the Bianchi passion, then I wouldn't bother with the Bianchi unless you got a super deal.

They're not just another bike, you know.

I'd say get the bike that you feel is the best deal, and save a Bianchi purchase for down the road when you have a better appreciation for them.
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That's a very nice looking bike. Seeing that it's all brand new components try talking the shop down. But for $900 I'd probally still buy it.
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No offence intended Rousseau!

The Bianchi has captured my heart more than any other bike that I've seen so far and that is why I'm so interested in finding out more about it. Laying down serious $$ for a bike has got to be a decision that I make with my head as well as my heart. At this point, I need to be wary of the Bianchi's siren song and consider all options and advice.

that said, I do want a bike I can fall in love with!

Thanks again for the advice everyone!

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heard bad things about the mirage system, that already is a red flag to me....

If you WANT campy, get then get a better campy equip'd bike. If you don't care, save some more and look for some deals. I just picked up a 07' Via Nirone with Ultrgra/105 mix for 1200. Bout 18.5bs and handles/rides very very nice.
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The decals look like mine. I had no problems with the Mirage components other than weight, (especially the bottom bracket). I paid $800 new in 97, so I'd say unless you are into retro, you could find a better deal on a more up-to-date bike. The tubing on mine is Deddaccia (sp?) Superset which is not (I think) particularly high quality as Cro-mo goes.
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Originally Posted by mgmoore7
Personally, I would not be buying steel as my 1st road bike in 2007.
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Unless the OP is a gram counter or a racer I see no reason at all why an AL frame with a plastic fork would be superior to a classic steel ride.

To the OP: Does the frame have a sticker on the downtube? That bike looks like from your above picutres anwhere from late, late 80's to 90's.
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thanks again for the information /advice..

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I cant remember if theres a sticker on the down tube or not, if so what should it look like?

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I'm not sure about how it compares to your red campione, but I recently bought MY first road bike, a 2007 Bianchi Eros, for only about 100 dollars more; my dealer had to get it from Bianchi, but I still got a bit of price break. I went for steel on the LBS recommendation: i'm 210 lbs, and more interested in casual riding and light touring than racing or training, at least not hard. One thing I did discover is that the campy gears were upgraded to 10 spd in after 2006 (I think) and people seemed to think that was a Good Thing. 900 seems like a lot for bike they can't even date, but on the other hand you gotta go where your heart is on this.
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I run Campy Mirage (as well as Chorus 10speed and Record 8) and find it to be pretty good. Shifting isn't quite as "crisp" (for lack of a better word) as the newer and considerably more expensive Chorus but it does the job. I'd imagine it works as well as the lower line Shimano stuff.

In any case higher-line gruppo=more $.

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How do you like the eros?

I read on another thread that the Campione sat somewhere between the eros and veloce. Whether it had a better frame or components than the eros I dont now.

Im sure if I pressed the lbs for answers on the bike they would be forthcoming with acurate info. The LBS is by many accts a local expert on all things bike and has,in his own words "34 years of professional experience". But I tend to be suspicious of people trying to sell me things so Ive embarked on this epic journey to educate myself on the bike and buying bikes in general.

I must say that I feel like Ishmael sometimes, in the middle of the ocean, pursuing his elusive white whale (in my case its a celeste whale!).

Also, this year Bianchi has stopped doing business with their dealers in my county (there were 3 within 30 mins of me) so purchasing a new bianchi will be more difficult....
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When I bought my CD'I in 97 the only thing different about the Eros was it's triple drive train.
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I like the Eros a lot, but it's my first roadbike in 30 years and I'd probably like most anything. It's relatively heavy, but on the road I actually sort of like that, since it makes me feel a little more anchored. I like the mirage shifting, too, but then I've never tried a higher end system.

In the more recent years the Eros and the Veloce had the same frame; the Veloce had better campy components, and you could get it celeste. Jenson USA says they'll sell you a veloce in celeste for 999, which seems like a great deal; I wanted to start with a fit etc. from the LBS so I chickened out, but now of course I'm also interested in what the bikes are like as you go up the food chain.
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Thanks Cranky and Tac for the info.

Tac- I also want to start with a fit this being my first new bike. I kind of feel like Im passing up some good bargains by going through an LBS and am at their mercy a little more than Id like to be.

That $999 veloce is an interesting bench mark to work from. Unfortunately they only have them in 61cm. At 6'2" and w/ an in seam of 32-33" I think I'm closer to a 59 cm.

Could I ask the LBS for better parts on the bike for the 900$ or a reduction in the price? Or is that considered gauche?
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